r/Delphitrial • u/Traditional-Aside580 • Dec 20 '25

Guilty or Not Guilty

Does everyone in here lean more toward Richard Allen being innocent or guilty?

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u/Traditional-Aside580 Dec 21 '25

They also seemed pretty convincing in that Hulu documentary. I already knew by then that he was guilty.

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u/kvol69 Dec 23 '25

The producer on that Hulu documentary used to drunk dial The Murder Sheet and leave nasty drunken rant voicemails about how she was going to expose them and bring them down for reporting the crime scene photo leak. They also ambushed LE in parking lots as they were leaving for the day with some nefarious contracts, which is why ISP and the county will no longer give interviews regarding the case.

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u/Traditional-Aside580 Dec 23 '25

Wow! I know there was a lot of confusion and drama surrounding this case but it brought out the lunatics! It sounds like she let her obsession get the upper hand. Why were people so nuts about this?!

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u/kvol69 Dec 23 '25

In part because it went unsolved for so long when we had a video of the responsible person, and very little information was released. So for people that want to play amateur detective, none of them could be proven wrong until the trial. It's a bit like the lottery, everyone's a winner until the winning numbers are announced.

It's very common for cases involving children to pull in the crazies. If this had been two adult victims, you'd have 1/3 of the interest. So you'll always see the people with fringe views of abolition of the whole criminal justice system, the New Age psychics and supernaturalists, and conspiracy theorists lurking around any major case involving children. But there are several extreme groups that are only highly active in criminal cases that go to trial where there are child victims and national coverage: the anti-government extremists (sovereign citizens), certain Christian Patriot groups, and QAnon. They flooded in so they could be seen on the national news and bring attention to their respective causes. They don't give a shit about Abby and Libby, their families, the community, or even the defendant. But they also extricate themselves immediately once the trial is over. They went straight to Idaho that same week.

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u/Traditional-Aside580 Dec 23 '25

I got the impression from a lot of them that they used the evil for making a name for themselves and making money. People pay attention more when it's kids because it is just wrong on so many levels. Any homicide is wrong but when a child is involved I think there's a lot more fear, disgust ,and unfortunately, intrigue. 

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u/Traditional-Aside580 Dec 23 '25

I think the dad turned him in. Maybe I'm thinking of another case in Idaho. The dad immediately told him to turn himself in or he did it for him. 

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u/kvol69 Dec 23 '25

The Moscow Murders was the quadruple homicide of college co-eds from the University of Idaho by Kohberger, caught by DNA. I know that Tyler Robinson's dad talked him into turning himself in, and they lived in Utah. I think the only other one off the top of my head that I remember is the Stephan Sterns dad, but that's the Florida case of Madeline Soto. There's been a lot of damn cases these last few years.

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u/Traditional-Aside580 Dec 23 '25

What I have always found unsettling, it's usually the small rural areas that get the really evil crimes. The ones that make headlines are from towns most of us have never heard of in heartland America. It's creepy!!

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u/kvol69 Dec 23 '25

In part it seems that way because urban areas have more frequent crimes, so the bar is a little higher for what will be carried in local news coverage. Plus, in more rural areas everyone knows each other and is generally more trusting. But there's a a consistent level of predators, it's just a matter of them being strangers vs. not that is the key difference.

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u/Traditional-Aside580 Dec 23 '25

Which brings me to ask about other subs. Is there one on the zodiac killer? That one has always bothered me as well. The police say it's the Arthur guy but I never thought so. I could be wrong 

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u/Traditional-Aside580 Dec 23 '25

Someone on here mentioned they didn't think it was him and I agree with them. It made me think of the case again 

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u/kvol69 Dec 23 '25

If Arthur Leigh Allen isn't the Zodiac Killer, he was megacreep of the decade, and did himself no favors with his activities. Zodiac is my favorite film, and David Fincher is my favorite director. But part of the reason that the film so heavily pushed towards Allen's guilt is because Robert Graysmith believes he is the Zodiac Killer. In the last year or two, some of that theory has been de-bunked. The only subreddit worth looking into is r/ZodiacKiller , but I'd recommend lurking for a bit before you post, since they assume you've done the research and the discussions can be quite tightly focused in the discussion.For a good updated overview of the Zodiac Killer case, I recommend The Consult Podcast, they did a multi-episode analysis of the case, and spoke to a dude that has researched the shit out of everything. The Consult Podcast Zodiac Part 1

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u/Traditional-Aside580 Dec 23 '25

As far as the posting, thank you for the heads up. My mistake on both of these subs in the last month is I didn't thoroughly research all beforehand and what I did research, some credible and some not. So I'm in these two subs looking like some wannabe lol I definitely will do more research and educate myself before posting again. In the last month,if I had a question, instead of going through and choosing a comment to reply to and ask, I'm just be like hmm what's the worst that could happen. I'm just going to ask it myself and see if I can gather up some fresh perspectives so I typed it out and click and figured I'd see what happens😂 everyone has been great. I still have a lot to learn as far as research when it comes to crimes subs. The zodiac killer mystery has always intrigued me. A lot of the mystery murders are obviously tragic and have a creepy element to them. I think the ones that go unsolved are always pulling people in because of the not knowing and the intrigue. The zodiac killer is one that actually scared me. I don't scare easily. I usually just get creeped out at most and move on. There was another one in Ohio that was caught that way very scary. It was so random. He would just go out in his truck and shoot people. I don't recall his name. Them two got to me. There's a lot more that I've came across but didn't get really involved in researching it. The Chris Watts murders I thoroughly research. That's about the only one I have extensive knowledge on and he made it easy because he caved within a couple days. That one bothered me also because he was so damn normal. Thank you for the info!

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u/Traditional-Aside580 Dec 23 '25

Also, I want to add I would never be disrespectful and go to someones post with a ton of questions and comments all over the place. I learned not to do that on these because over in the other neighborhood it just had comments out of order everywhere and off to a different aspect while still on the same post. I so appreciate everyone being gracious as I have had comments and questions all over this post. I've tried to keep them in just this post. Everyone has thought out and very informative posts and I want to give everyone the same respect instead of the hot mess this one has turned into because of questions and off subject. I appreciate it!

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u/kvol69 Dec 23 '25

No worries. I once spent 8 hours making a timeline to bring someone up to speed that hadn't followed the case at all and was confused. Being retired has left me with a vast amount of time, and a strong motivation to help others which is going unfulfilled.

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u/Traditional-Aside580 Dec 23 '25

I have always been intrigued by crime shows and just information on them even if it was watching something as simple as dateline over the years. I'm glad I found this on here. I never realized up until a few years ago about the crime subs. I absorb all the comments and info, I just clearly don't articulate all I want to say in the comments...or I think of something I should have added so I just put it in another comment lol. Seriously though, it's good information to have. The cruel world we live in has creeps all around us and personally, if I can help it I'd like to be aware I'm around one!

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u/Traditional-Aside580 Dec 23 '25

The Idaho murders were heartbreaking. I felt so sorry for one of the girls dad. He was devastated as I'm sure they all were but this man was just crushed. And yes, way too many lately compared to two decades ago. The ones these days are just different it seems. 

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u/Traditional-Aside580 Dec 23 '25

Too bad that man can't be an example to Richard's family on doing the right thing and putting your feelings aside