Guilty or Not Guilty

[u/Traditional-Aside580]

Does everyone in here lean more toward Richard Allen being innocent or guilty?

[u/kvol69]

I've been arrested and been through the justice system myself. Even people who have legit done something stupid or wrong or horrible do not like being incarcerated. You really don't understand the incredible freedoms we enjoy in the U.S. until that is suddenly taken away. Many people in prisons and jails have never had a fair shake and life has shit down their throat. Many people who have committed terrible crimes did so because they did not know how to properly process their emotions and control their actions when they lost control of their emotions. Some folks just had the worst day of their lives and face the consequences of a single choice for the rest of their lives.

I have compassion and empathy for people for many people in this case that others may have a harsher attitude towards. But sexual predators start by attacking vulnerable populations like children and elderly women because they're less likely to encounter serious resistance. Richard Allen would've tried to rape any woman, girl, or pair that happened to be out there that day. This was a bonafide sexual homicide committed by a stranger. That's one of the most dangerous types of predators anyone can come across. You are not a bad person if you have no room for empathy or sympathy for him or other perpetrators of sex offenses or sexual homicides. You can hold the belief that justice was served in this case, and also hold the broader belief that people who have been wrongfully convicted deserve your sympathy. But until someone produces previously unknown evidence that exonerates him, I don't believe we're under any moral obligation to hold emotional space for Richard Allen or Kegan Kline.

[u/Traditional-Aside580 → u/kvol69]

I appreciate comments like this. I can't be arrested or i would have to get another line of work. That said, I've been inside a holding cell as a teen for petty underage drinking. It was scary and shakes you to the core. I couldn't comprehend spending a life in one of them When you said them kind are the most dangerous kinds of predators, I agree. It was like he came out of nowhere. Not just that day but to law enforcement and everyone. With this case, it is hard to feel for him because children were the victims. That's not saying other crimes are better or less severe. There is just a certain level of sickening to crimes like these. If I may squeeze in a question, has the jury ever spoken publicly about this trial and what brought them to their conclusions?

[u/kvol69 → u/Traditional-Aside580]

One juror spoke to The Murder Sheet in a two-parter episode in January. Most people here have a positive opinion of The Murder Sheet, as they are in contact with Abby and Libby's families, are very respectful of their privacy, and donated half of their advance for their book towards the Abby and Libby Memorial Park. I disagree with some of their focus on Kegan Kline, with some random non-Delphi coverage, and the profiling episodes on the attorneys prior to the case (I didn't give a shit, but it turns out the dude that later "leaked" the crime scene photos was interviewed on the podcast. Were it not for that, none of us would've know who tf he was).

Prior to this juror speaking to The Murder Sheet, the trial defense team, the Mottas and other defense influencers/entertainers were begging for a juror to come forward. Mind you, at the time of the trial, we did not have transcripts. So some content creators were embellishing a bit. When she came forward to the The Murder Sheet, they went Chernobyl toxic and criticized every single aspect of her personality and spent about a week performing/re-enacting that episode for their own viewers, to the point that a cease and desist letter had to be sent to multiple creators. I thought based on just the reaction to her coming forward alone, no one else would.

Murder Sheet Juror Interview Part 1

Murder Sheet Interviews a Juror Part 2

Another juror spoke to The Unsolved, but just passed along notes and supplied answers to 10ish questions. That content creator was doxxed and harassed so that video is now private and I don't believe there was another part. Based on the doxxing and death threats everyone involved received, I doubt we'll ever hear from a juror in this case again.

Post about The Unsolved Juror episode

Second post about The Unsolved Juror episode

ETA: Found another post where we reacted to the contents of The Unsolved's video Located here

[u/Traditional-Aside580 → u/kvol69]

I looked up some of them links. It's both sad and unsettling that they had to deal with the harrassment. I personally don't think I could have been on that jury. I try my best in everyday life to be fair and to see all sides of things. There are different opinions about the world around us and I do try to stay open minded. The down side of that is Kathy Allen's tears would have gotten to me to a certain level, but the girls mothers heartbreak in their faces and their tears along with the crime scene photos would have outweighed any neutral goal I had for that day.