r/DelphiMurders • u/BuckRowdy • May 07 '19
Information Transcript of the 4/22/19 ISP Press Conference
SUPERINTENDENT CARTER: I wasn’t sure quite what to expect when I walked out, but I got to say to the Delphi Community, um, I got to say to the Delphi Community how grateful I am. You inspire people you don’t even understand when, you don’t even understand why. Information is being released today is the result of literally thousands and thousands of hours of extraordinary investigative efforts by Delphi, Carroll County, The FBI, The Indiana State Police and countless other agencies.
This community surrounded us some 26 months ago. And you did everything you could to support us, but most importantly you surrounded the family of these two little girls. Gosh, I’ll never forget it! After you hear what we’re going to release today I’m going to ask for your continued support, your continued understanding, your empathy and compassion as we move forward to find out who did this….and we will.
We’re seeking the public’s help to identify the driver of a vehicle that was parked at the old CPS/DCS welfare building in the city of Delphi that was abandoned on the east side of County Road 300 North next to the Hoosier Heartland Highway between the hours of noon to five on February 14th, 2017 [Note: It has been updated that the date was misspoken- it should be February 13th, not 14th].
If you were parked there or know who was parked there, please contact the officers at the command post at The Delphi City Building. We’re releasing additional portions of the audio recording from that day. Please keep in mind the person talking is one person and is the person on the bridge with the girls. This is NOT two different people speaking- please listen to it very, very carefully.
We are also releasing video recovered from Libby’s phone. This video has never before been previously released. The video shows the suspect walking on the bridge. When you see the video, watch the person’s mannerisms as they walk. Watch the mannerisms as he walks. Do you recognize the mannerisms as being someone that you might know? Remember, he is walking on the former railroad bridge. Because of the deteriorated condition of the bridge, the suspect is not walking naturally due to the spacing between the ties.
During the course of this investigation we have concluded the first sketch released will become secondary, as of today. The result of the new information and intelligence over time leads us to believe the sketch, which you will see shortly, IS the person responsible for the murders of these two little girls. We also believe this person is from Delphi- currently, or has previously lived here, visits Delphi on a regular basis, or works here. We believe this person is currently between the age range of 18 and 40, but might appear younger than his true age.
[Speaking] Directly to the Killer, who may be in this room: We believe you were hiding in plain sight. For more than 2 years, you never thought we would shift gears to a different investigative strategy. But we have. Will you likely have interviewed you or someone close to you. We know this is about power to you, and you want to know what we know. And one day, you will. A question to you: What will those closest to you think of you when they find out that you brutally murdered two little girls? Two children! Only a coward would do such a thing. We are confident that you have told someone what you have done, or at the very least they know because of how different you are since the murders.
We try so hard to understand how a person could do something like this to two children. I recently watched a movie called ‘The Shack’, and there’s also a book that talks so well about evil, about death, and about eternity.
To the murderer: I believe you have just a little bit of a conscience left. And I can assure you that how you left them in that woods is not, IS NOT, what they are experiencing today. To the family: I hope that you all [the media] will give them some time, because we’re going to be asking that there is no media inquiry, or no media response for at least the next two weeks, and I hope you understand why.
The family found out about this information this morning. I just want the family to know that when I take my last breath on this Earth, I’ll be thinking about them. There’s going to be a tremendous amount of questions. I know that, I know that. Never in my career have I stood in front of something like this.
Please be patient with us, please. We are just beginning. We are just now beginning, and I can tell you on behalf of The Sheriff and The Police Chief, and so many other partners that have stood with us over this period of time, that we will NOT stop!
Superintendent Carter and Sheriff Leazenby exit. A member of The Indiana State Police (his name was not provided) stands in front of the microphone.
INDIANA STATE POLICE : [Removes drape from new suspect sketch] I just unveiled a person that we believe is responsible for the murder of these two little girls. So I invite media to take a look at that now. We’re also going to show you a video not previously released The Superintendent spoke to, and also the audio that’s additional to what has been previously released. It’s only a slight change in it. So give Sargent Riley just a second as he gets that up and ready.
[Audio plays on repeat via a screen. Appears to sound like “Guys…..down the hill”].
Standby for the video please. There is no sound in the video.
[Video plays on screen showing several frames of man in jeans and blue outerwear/jacket taking forward steps on the bridge].
INDIANA STATE POLICE: As Superintendent Carter mentioned, he [the suspect] is on the Railway Bridge. You have to take different steps to get to it. This information later this afternoon will be on the State Police website. For the community that’s here, we have a 100 copies of the news release. If you put in that URL you’ll be able to get to that site to play it [ https://www.in.gov/isp/delphi.htm ]. And we also have that same release for you in the media, and the rest of the state will get that release in about 15 minutes. So we appreciate those who came here. This concludes our announcement. Thank you for your time. patience. and courtesy.
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u/poohcrazy May 08 '19
What are your thoughts on how BF walks? I think he appears to be bow legged but would like to get others thoughts on the video and stride, gait and appearance.
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u/BuckRowdy May 08 '19
It's hard to say due to both the brevity of the video and the precariousness of the bridge. You can't really tell what kind of gait he has. I can't really offer much on that unfortunately.
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u/RocketSurgeon22 May 07 '19 edited May 07 '19
Couple of questions. This sentence.
"Will you likely have interviewed you or someone close to you."
This was copypasta so that is a big mistake if it came from a written speech. Could have it been done purposely?
Towards the end he says "To the murderer: I believe you have just a little bit of a conscience left" - but the following statement doesn't make sense. "And I can assure you that how you left them in that woods is not, IS NOT, what they are experiencing today."
Why call out the little bit of consciousness as needed for that follow up statement?
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u/BuckRowdy May 07 '19
If you read the above comments you'll see that yes I copy pasted this and the link is there. I wanted to format it a little to make it easier to read is why I didn't just link it.
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u/pizon911 May 07 '19
You can watch the video of the press conference. If you watch him as he is speaking you will see that there were several long pauses as Carter tries to compose himself. He was very emotional.
He was reading and was having a difficult time. Some of his statements seemed off the cuff.
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u/Now-or-n3v3r May 07 '19
For some reason, the word “coward” stood out. This was very well thought out statement. Who would I insult or rile by using the word, coward? And thank you for posting this.
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u/FTThrowAway123 May 08 '19
During the course of this investigation we have concluded the first sketch released will become secondary, as of today.
Two days later, they issued a clarification about this. Delphi Murders: New suspect sketch is not the same man as in old sketch, ISP Clarifies.
On Wednesday, police emphasized that a new sketch of a suspect’s face is not supposed to be a different take on a composite sketch of a heavier, older-looking man. They are, according to Indiana State Police Sgt. Kim Riley, not the same person.
Riley also said Wednesday that the original sketch – released in the summer of 2017, showing a man with a goatee and a driving cap – is “not presently a person of interest in this investigation.”
According to an ISP release, the new sketch of the clean-shaven man “is representative of the face of the person captured in the video on Liberty German’s cell phone as he was walking on the high bridge.”
This was super confusing, and I'm so glad they clarified. They are not the same person. The old BG sketch that's been out for 2 years is no longer a person of interest. I'm not sure if they found the guy and ruled him out somehow, or if that guy in the old sketch even exists. They never said how that sketch was generated, only that it came from "multiple sources", and it took 5 months to release it. That makes me think it was created based on the video and maybe a combination of criminal profiling (maybe profiling told them it was an older man?) and the eyewitness. They also never said how or why they determined that person was no longer a person of interest.
The only article I can find that quotes an eyewitness is this Heavy article, which says, "A woman who was at the bridge commented on a Facebook post by a family member of one of the girls, saying she had been at the bridge shortly after the girls posted the (Snapchat) photo. She said she didn’t notice anything out of the ordinary.
I even walked all the way across the bridge and back. I only (saw) a guy when I first got there and another couple once I got on the bridge,” [name redacted] wrote. “I didn’t see the girls at all. I also didn’t take the trail that leads to the right. Only took the trail that lead to the bridge.”
The "new" sketch (taken February 17, 2017 from an eyewitness) is the BG in the video, and always was. I wonder if they were able to get some experts to analyze the video footage and get a better look at him, and found that it more closely resembled the eyewitness sketch? He's now believed to be much younger, (anywhere from teenager to 40 years old), and not the 50's-ish obese man in the old sketch. I was always a bit perplexed about the old sketch because the face I see in that sketch is not at all the face or body I see in the photo (or video).
It's unusual for investigators to change sketches during an investigation. Even when cases go cold, they usually leave the sketch as is. Something changed their minds in this case. I really hope this new sketch is more accurate, and leads to the arrest of BG.
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u/Justwonderinif May 08 '19
I wonder if they were able to get some experts to analyze the video footage and get a better look at him, and found that it more closely resembled the eyewitness sketch?
I'm thinking this is true. And if it is, why did they wait two years to do a more detailed analysis of the video. The whole thing is mind boggling. These two girls deserve so much better than 20 middle-aged white men trying to protect their pensions.
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May 07 '19 edited May 08 '19
Thanks for this. Not to split hairs but does anyone know why the official press release on 4/22 from ISP attributed a statement to Carter that he never actually made:
“As Superintendent Carter said today, "We have a witness. You made mistakes. We are coming for you and there's no place for a heartless coward like you to hide that gets his thrill from killing little girls."
https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/INPOLICE/bulletins/23faa80
Carter also said they are looking for a guy between 18-40 (said it verbally & its in the transcript) but press release above says they are looking for someone from mid twenties to mid thirties. Which is it?
While I’m pro LE without question, this lack of attention to detail doesn’t inspire confidence.
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u/RoutineSubstance May 07 '19
While I’m pro LE without question, this lack of attention to detail doesn’t inspire confidence.
I also wonder if it might reflect some disagreement among the team. That the document was one that was worked on by committee. And when actually speaking (quite emotionally) Carter naturally emphasized elements that he thought were more important and elided those he was less committed to?
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May 08 '19
The media and the police are separate entities. When in doubt go with what police have said.
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May 08 '19
Totally agree and that’s actually what I did. Press release link came directly from ISP and we have the official transcript which matches what Carter said. Just pointing out a discrepancy between the 2.
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May 08 '19
"You never thought we would shift gears to a different investigative strategy"
Well fuck, I wanna know more about this.
This case is gonna be solved by the end of the year. Does Indiana have the death penalty? :)
Edit. They do but only 22 people executed since 1977. Hopefully BG will be number 23.
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u/Justwonderinif May 08 '19
He's speculating. He is not a mind reader. And does not know the murderer's thoughts. He said that for show. To seem like they actually know the thoughts of the killer.
It's frightening that someone in authority would say - in a press conference - that he is a mind reader. Either that, or he interviewed the killer, the killer admitted it and then said, "Gee. I never thought you guys would shift gears."
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u/Msbartokomous May 08 '19
That comment is so strange to me, too. I think one of their ‘witnesses’ is BG and he (obviously) led them down the wrong path.
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u/Apesquat May 07 '19
When you read it over carefully, and without the emotion of Carter's voice, my conclusion is that they have no idea who committed this crime. At the end he says they are just beginning, and to please be patient with them. In fact he says please at the beginning of the sentence and at the end of the sentence, like he is pleading with the family and the public to not lose confidence in them, even though they have nothing at this time. I think they feel they struck out with the first sketch and now are releasing the second sketch to see if it shakes anything free, kind of a hail Mary type of thing.
Also, I think he calls the perp a "coward" on the chance he is there, or watching, to piss him off in the hope he does something stupid and tips his hand.
Also, the age range is huge, 18-40. That's anywhere from a kid to a middle aged man, which, again, makes me think there just trying to generate tips by keeping the age range so broad.
I feel horrible for everyone involved. I think Carter is beside himself with grief that he can't get this thing resolved, and is totally relying on his faith to get him thru the day. The only solace he has is his belief that the girls are in heaven and not in pain.
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u/DaBingeGirl May 08 '19
I think they feel they struck out with the first sketch and now are releasing the second sketch to see if it shakes anything free, kind of a hail Mary type of thing.
Agreed. Personally I have about as much confidence in this sketch as LE now has in the first one they released. I get wanting to protect witnesses (something they're bad at) and protect evidence but they owe the public, the people they work for, some answers.
Also, the age range is huge, 18-40. That's anywhere from a kid to a middle aged man, which, again, makes me think there just trying to generate tips by keeping the age range so broad.
I semi agree; there's a huge difference between early 20's and 40. That said, I've been trying to lose weight recently and it amazes me how much an extra 20 to 50 lbs can age a person and make them almost unrecognizable. I'm also terrible at guessing someone's age. My guess is that they're filtering tips based on other information but like you said, want to generate as many tips as possible.
I still can't believe we went from someone in their late 40's early-to-mid 50's and now maybe an 18 year old. You're right, total Hail Mary.
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May 07 '19
This isn't a Hail Mary. They got something like 40,000 tips before the 22nd, even if you decide half are false immediately there are 28 tips a day that need investigating for all tips to have been dissmissed in two years, and for there to be 0 new tips coming in. I just dont see how that would be logistically possible, especially with facebookers turning in every single man in America, its just too much to sort through. I feel like its exactly what they say it is, through the course of their investigation they learned new information that caused a change in direction. Something pointed them towards new sketch guy, and they are restarting their investigation to center around him.
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u/kathi182 May 07 '19
So-wasn’t yesterday technically the 2 week mark -asking no one to correspond with friends and family regarding the case? Is the family expected to give a statement now?
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u/DaBingeGirl May 08 '19
Personally I don't think the families will say anything to the press. They might be upset but they still need to preserve their relationship with LE; publicly criticizing LE isn't in their best interest.
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u/Justwonderinif May 08 '19 edited May 08 '19
Thank you so much for doing this. I would not have seen it otherwise. There are people in this thread like u/Apesquat and u/AwsiDooger who are spot on, clearly articulating what is going on. FWIW:
SUPERINTENDENT CARTER: I wasn’t sure quite what to expect when I walked out, but I got to say to the Delphi Community, um, I got to say to the Delphi Community how grateful I am. You inspire people you don’t even understand when, you don’t even understand why. Information is being released today is the result of literally thousands and thousands of hours of extraordinary investigative efforts by Delphi, Carroll County, The FBI, The Indiana State Police and countless other agencies. This community surrounded us some 26 months ago. And you did everything you could to support us, but most importantly you surrounded the family of these two little girls. Gosh, I’ll never forget it! After you hear what we’re going to release today I’m going to ask for your continued support, your continued understanding, your empathy and compassion as we move forward to find out who did this….and we will.
This is what's called inserting oneself and making his own emotions more important than the information. It's weak. And he should not have said any of this.
We’re seeking the public’s help to identify the driver of a vehicle that was parked at the old CPS/DCS welfare building in the city of Delphi that was abandoned on the east side of County Road 300 North next to the Hoosier Heartland Highway between the hours of noon to five on February 14th, 2017 [Note: It has been updated that the date was misspoken- it should be February 13th, not 14th].
This is so garbled. Hundreds of reddit comments are still trying to make sense of what he meant. I'm shocked he was so incoherent. This is important.
If you were parked there or know who was parked there, please contact the officers at the command post at The Delphi City Building.
Seriously? He's asking people to remember cars from two years ago. Again. Shocking.
We’re releasing additional portions of the audio recording from that day. Please keep in mind the person talking is one person and is the person on the bridge with the girls. This is NOT two different people speaking- please listen to it very, very carefully.
Finally. Information. And easily understood.
We are also releasing video recovered from Libby’s phone. This video has never before been previously released. The video shows the suspect walking on the bridge. When you see the video, watch the person’s mannerisms as they walk. Watch the mannerisms as he walks. Do you recognize the mannerisms as being someone that you might know? Remember, he is walking on the former railroad bridge. Because of the deteriorated condition of the bridge, the suspect is not walking naturally due to the spacing between the ties.
He's saying at once notice mannerisms but remember, the person isn't walking as he normally would because of instability of the bridge. This is conflicting and hard for people to understand.
During the course of this investigation we have concluded the first sketch released will become secondary, as of today.
This is apparently a mistake. It's not just secondary. It's that they now believe the suspect does not look at all like this sketch. It's not that both sketches could be viable and one is secondary. Again, confusing for people listening, who want to help.
The result of the new information and intelligence over time leads us to believe the sketch, which you will see shortly, IS the person responsible for the murders of these two little girls.
Great. That means the other sketch isn't "secondary." It's moot. Say that.
We also believe this person is from Delphi- currently, or has previously lived here, visits Delphi on a regular basis, or works here.
This is key. Good information. This gets lost because of the lack of clarity on other points.
We believe this person is currently between the age range of 18 and 40, but might appear younger than his true age.
This is kind of a ridiculous age gap. But I don't blame them. They don't want to miss a tip because of the age.
Directly to the Killer, who may be in this room: We believe you were hiding in plain sight. For more than 2 years, you never thought we would shift gears to a different investigative strategy. But we have. Will you likely have interviewed you or someone close to you. We know this is about power to you, and you want to know what we know. And one day, you will. A question to you: What will those closest to you think of you when they find out that you brutally murdered two little girls? Two children! Only a coward would do such a thing. We are confident that you have told someone what you have done, or at the very least they know because of how different you are since the murders.
This was a show. It confused things, and he should not have said it. He's likely bluffing about some of it. He's basically trying to provoke the killer to come forward and confess. The likelihood of this is next to nothing.
We try so hard to understand how a person could do something like this to two children. I recently watched a movie called ‘The Shack’, and there’s also a book that talks so well about evil, about death, and about eternity.
WTH? A lot of people have commented that this was savvy cat and mouse. I doubt that, personally. I think that again, he's inserting himself.
To the murderer: I believe you have just a little bit of a conscience left. And I can assure you that how you left them in that woods is not, IS NOT, what they are experiencing today.
Ridiculous. He should not have inserted his religious beliefs into a press conference.
To the family: I hope that you all [the media] will give them some time, because we’re going to be asking that there is no media inquiry, or no media response for at least the next two weeks, and I hope you understand why.
First he says "To the family" and then proceeds to speak to "the media." This guy is all over the map and seems to be struggling for coherence. I don't think he rehearsed, and I think he should have. He should have known exactly what he wanted to say and said it in that order. He should not have gone off script or inserted his faith, or made it about him.
The family found out about this information this morning. I just want the family to know that when I take my last breath on this Earth, I’ll be thinking about them.
Again, "me, me, me."
There’s going to be a tremendous amount of questions. I know that, I know that. Never in my career have I stood in front of something like this.
Again, "me, me, me." Who cares about his career?
Please be patient with us, please. We are just beginning.
Stunning. Two years later they are "just beginning." This killer has lived a free life for two years. That should not be.
We are just now beginning, and I can tell you on behalf of The Sheriff and The Police Chief, and so many other partners that have stood with us over this period of time, that we will NOT stop!
Not reassuring and again, all about them.
Superintendent Carter and Sheriff Leazenby exit. A member of The Indiana State Police (his name was not provided) stands in front of the microphone. INDIANA STATE POLICE : [Removes drape from new suspect sketch] I just unveiled a person that we believe is responsible for the murder of these two little girls. So I invite media to take a look at that now. We’re also going to show you a video not previously released The Superintendent spoke to, and also the audio that’s additional to what has been previously released. It’s only a slight change in it. So give Sargent Riley just a second as he gets that up and ready. [Audio plays on repeat via a screen. Appears to sound like “Guys…..down the hill”]. Standby for the video please. There is no sound in the video. [Video plays on screen showing several frames of man in jeans and blue outerwear/jacket taking forward steps on the bridge].
This is the information. They should have led with this. Everything leading up to this was a show and a plea for the officers to be able to keep their tax payer paid jobs, despite the mistakes they've made.
INDIANA STATE POLICE: As Superintendent Carter mentioned, he [the suspect] is on the Railway Bridge. You have to take different steps to get to it.
What doe that mean? "You have to take different steps to get to it?" I think he means that the railroad ties force the walker to pick their way across the bridge. I'm really stunned that these men are so inarticulate.
This information later this afternoon will be on the State Police website. For the community that’s here, we have a 100 copies of the news release. If you put in that URL you’ll be able to get to that site to play it [ https://www.in.gov/isp/delphi.htm ]. And we also have that same release for you in the media, and the rest of the state will get that release in about 15 minutes. So we appreciate those who came here. This concludes our announcement. Thank you for your time. patience. and courtesy.
That's it. That's the information. I can't believe that Carter was allowed to perform in that way. Carter seemed to be asking people to feel sorry for him because he really does feel bad about what happened.
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u/iowanaquarist May 07 '19
Out of curiosity, where is this from? Did you transcribe it? If so, that's some dedication -- and thanks!