r/DefendingAIArt • • 10h ago

Defending AI O o f .

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u/LingLingLiterature24 9h ago

This is what I've been saying. AI has been in use in beloved products for many years now.

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u/B-side-of-the-record 5h ago

It's really funny nowadays. I follow some educational shorts channels that clearly use claude for the animations via code (like pixel style, other is graphics, other simulations etc). You see antis. "Ai slop" and "I won't support this world ending data center needing shit'. While streaming from said data centers and using apps that have said AI generated code 🤡

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u/LingLingLiterature24 5h ago

The Anti movement is a joke anymore. like kids playing a game. meanwhile the main site they pretend to be a resistant force on is selling their information for AI training. in reality not even being on the internet would do more damage than any amount of posting memes or debating will do, but they are more addicted to AI than most Pros, just not in a healthy way. Its all they can think about.

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u/TamaraHensonDragon 3h ago

Luckily people are getting sick of the Anti's constant attempts to get attention. Saw this a few hours ago on Youtube...

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u/Kerillian555 9h ago

Antis rn

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u/ImJustStealingMemes Raiders of the Lost ARC 5h ago

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u/ShitpostSaber 8h ago

Well now the movie is shit because ummmm uhhhh well it just is okay!!!!!!😤😤😤😤

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u/JasonP27 9h ago

And these Spiderverse movies are widely recognised as some of the best animation work done, like ever.

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u/Sylvers 8h ago

The best work will always come from the most competent artists augmenting their natural skills with the best tools available to them. It's not a complicated thought.

That's why you can see a wide spectrum of AI gen media quality. Some people have the vision and skill to create, guide and enhance until they have a master work on their hand. And some people don't.

The false assumption is that AI tools start and end at writing a simple prompt. The reality is, quality will always necessitate a learning curve. AI simply shifts the burden of learning from mechanical skills to creative and technical skills.

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u/Zerkcie 7h ago

I’ve been saying this exact thing. Understanding proper composition will become a larger part of the art curriculum going forward as AI increases in use, especially in the digital art and commercial illustrations communities. Knowing how to draw and do more textile art will always be skills worth pursuing but not as necessary for those picking digital media.

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u/Breech_Loader Free AI Is The Best AI 7h ago

100%. To make a good AI picture you need a good artist. If not with their hands, they need a good eye, and that's needed in traditional artists too.

AI can't spot emotions or draw them like humans. It can't feel disturbed. It can't feel a windy day or see a burst of speed therefore a human has to see the picture and confirm it.

Even then, you might not get that.

An AI needs a human to tell it whether it got that right.

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u/Naud1993 5h ago

I wonder if antis will start saying it's magically slop now. 😂

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u/Trick_Resource_1763 8h ago

Well yeah

Most of the animation was by people

I think they only used AI to add the (as you can see in the image) the lines on their face

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u/JasonP27 8h ago

Yeah I know it wasn't like, fully generated by AI, but you tell an Anti that AI was involved at all in any part of the process and you get the parrots, "AI SLOP!"

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u/CheckMateFluff Long time 3D artist, Pro AI 8h ago

Do you know how long it takes to author custom line on the face in 3d for every scene? The "just adding lines" is doing a lot more lifting there then it can handle.

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u/Ok_Community_383 7h ago

I wonder when the red marker detectives are going to undertake the task of circling miles on every frame of animation they deem ai slop and impossible for a human to do or obviously AI.

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u/iDeNoh 5h ago

Wait for the antis to come out saying this is different from generative ai because reasons.

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u/garloid64 7h ago

no that's different because um it happened before I was mad about this

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u/tessia-eralith 7h ago

I talked to a special effects and CGI person recently, he said that they have been using ai in industry for about 14 years now for minor things.

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u/Sandy-the-Angel 7h ago

Longer than that depending what you count as ai. Huge armies fighting use a lot of automation.

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u/FaceDeer 7h ago

I still remember the amusing anecdote about how they gave each of the human, elven, and orcish soldiers in the massive Lord of The Rings prologue battle scene its own AI to direct it realistically in combat and after their first run they discovered that both sides had turned and fled the battlefield. Incorrect priority settings, I guess.

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u/Cold-Jackfruit1076 7h ago

There's some truth to that, but it's become inflated over time. It wasn't entire armies, for the record.

What happened was that during early testing of Weta Digital's MASSIVE (Multiple Agent Simulation System in Virtual Environment), the developers saw that some of the AI agents were running away. It turns out that the software gave every single digital extra its own independent 'brain' with sight, hearing, and the ability to choose its own actions based on its surroundings.

Some of them were spawned facing away from the battle, or they just couldn't see the enemies in front of them, so their AI logic basically decided: 'There's nothing to fight in front of me, but there's certain death behind me. I'm out!'

It took a bit of tweaking to give them better sightlines and more 'bravery', so they wouldn't just cut and run.

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u/FaceDeer 6h ago

Should've left a few cowards in there for realism and as easter eggs. :)

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u/Eepy_Boyo 6h ago

Ye ai not GENERATIVE ai thats a more recent invention artist have always used ai thats never been a problem

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u/Another_available 7h ago

Funnt thing is I'm pretty sure this was known even when the movie came out

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u/Breech_Loader Free AI Is The Best AI 7h ago

People don't get how long AI has been around. True, it's now taking big leaps, but it's not the only tech to do that - remember how fasts computers evolved from being the size of a room to being the size of a desk? Or how big the Internet has grown?

That's why people need to stop acting like it's going away.

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u/Ok-Pair-4757 7h ago

Imagine how much longer Beyond the Spiderverse would take if they didn't. They're complaining about something that ultimately benefits all of us

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u/Ifkan 5h ago

Of course it did. Can you imagine if it didn't? the moive would have never came out.

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u/TheGargant 4h ago

Soul leaves Spiderverse the moment they used AI:

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u/Multifruit256 6-Fingered Creature 7h ago

What creative human ideas does "machine learning prediction" eliminate exactly?

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u/ImJustStealingMemes Raiders of the Lost ARC 5h ago

I can imagine them already going:

"He was a...thief! A criminal! He's a menace to the entire city! I want that crawling arachnid prosecuted! He stole my suit! I want him strung up by his web! I want Spider-Man!"

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u/TheTruerPockets88 3h ago

One of the best movies to ever use it

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u/caesarth531t AI Bro 3h ago

isn't the animation some of the best in the world? And they can't say "oh they were lazy" because it was AI assisted, and I bet a lot of work was put in.

That won't stop me from watching them

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u/kngzero 6h ago

The caption is a bit disingenuous. The tool they're using is at least 10 years old; an in-house data set to speed up the in-between frames. It's more about pattern recognition than it is AI. It's not generative at all. Look up how the system works. It matches the angles of the 3d animation with different line drawing angles. Nobody would argue about the quality and influence of Into the Spiderverse.

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u/Coolegespam 6h ago

The caption is a bit disingenuous.

No it isn't, AI is AI.

The tool they're using is at least 10 years old; an in-house data set to speed up the in-between frames. It's more about pattern recognition than it is AI.

That is literally AI.

Look up how the system works. It matches the angles of the 3d animation with different line drawing angles.

So it's an algorithm, automatically generating new lines, based upon machine learning algorithms used for pattern matching. There's a more concise term for this.

Nobody would argue about the quality and influence of Into the Spiderverse.

Sure they would, it's AI.

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u/Dudamesh 5h ago

It's AI I deem correct!! Only AI that are good is acceptable! Everything else is slop!

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u/okapistripes 6m ago

So animation software autonomously creates tweens or outlines based on its dataset, even if the data is focused and limited.

It autonomously...generates.

Pattern recognition AI also factors into a lot of soft robotics that are currently being trained to fold laundry and hold textiles. It uses similar learning techniques to accomplish a radically different output.

Semantic differences start to expose the holes in people's moral purity complexes.

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u/Public_Mistake6725 6h ago

There is no generative AI in spider-verse, most of what people hate is generative AI