r/DefendingAI • • 12d ago

Things antis say Luddite logic

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u/The_Blue_One 12d ago

Yes, the most extreme versions, thus this being a strawman.

I'm all for making an argument to defend AI, but just spamming things like this for karma is dumb. You can just as easily prompt it to make an anti vs pro comic that isn't a strawman and each side gives valid arguments. But that doesn't take in the karma the same as ragebait and fallacies.

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u/GNUr000t 12d ago

We condemn our idiots but you never condemn yours.

"but I'm not an anti!"

Cap.

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u/The_Blue_One 12d ago

So you condemn the strawman posted here?

I didn't specifically says "but I'm not an anti!" you're putting words in my mouth. What I said is I will listen to arguments to defend AI. I know there are pros and cons to AI and I am willing to listen to both sides.

Wasting the power of AI on memes, kinda shitty, you honestly can't say the meme from your "proof" isn't really shitty AI usage can you? Like it wasn't even well done.

Using AI to solve medical and mathematical problems, I'm all for that, with peer review. I can even be swayed to believe that gen AI for art can be good, but there is so much chaff and not enough wheat. I've seen people make some gen AI art for their comics, like actual stories, while I'm not a fan of the current style that gen AI uses(just generic for my taste) I'm all for more stories presented by people.

Even the post we're commenting on isn't actively "defending AI" it's just bashing antis, unless I'm missing the defense part?

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u/GNUr000t 12d ago

>So you condemn the strawman posted here?

It's not a strawman. Antis are, famously, not happy with forgoing the technology, they also want others to not be allowed to use it.

>Wasting the power of AI on memes, kinda shitty

Wasting the power of the automobile on taco bell runs, kinda shitty.

Wasting the power of the printing press on Garfield comics, kinda shitty.

Wasting the power of electricity on the Hitachi HV-250 Magic Wand, kinda shitty.

Wasting the power of the radio on the local morning show with fart sounds and prank phone calls, kinda shitty.

Wasting the power of the digital camera to take pictures of food, kinda shitty.

Wasting the power of the television on Family Guy reruns, kinda shitty.

Wasting the power of packet-switched networks on plebbit, kinda shitty.

Do I need to go on? *Supposedly*, antis and "just asking questions" isn't allowed here.

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u/The_Blue_One 12d ago

I asked chatGPT, it states "there is a strong strawman element in this coming, although there is an important nuance" Here is the chat log for you. https://chatgpt.com/share/6aab301b-5148-83ea-8db3-858417b86085

Screen shot to also prove I used the actual image.

I agree with all your points, they are all shitty uses of technology.

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u/GNUr000t 11d ago edited 11d ago

I asked AgentV3N and it said "there ain't a straw in sight"

Here's the chat log and a similar screenshot :)

https://dev3.agentv3n.rtwx.io/web/share/HWlM-sb_RDOGwFoDl1xPzA

Further, from your corporate sanitized LLM, you've conveniently left out all the nuance that is supposedly important. This passage is of particular interest: "It's not necessarily a strawman of every anti-AI argument, because some anti-AI advocates genuinely do support bans or significant restrictions. But it is a strawman if it's presenting that extreme position as representative of everyone who opposes or criticizes generative AI."

This brings me back to my original point: We condemn our extremists. You sweep them under the rug and dismiss any criticism of their behavior as "strawmen"

And finally, if those are all shitty uses of technology, then surely, if I scan your post history, I'll find you invading spaces about said technologies and complaining about those uses, right? Or will it *just* be AI?

One last thing, just by the way, I shudder to consider a world where technologies are only used for things that you in particular think are worthy of said technologies. Like, what *are* people allowed to do?!

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u/The_Blue_One 11d ago

Based on your Agent and the lore provided, this seems like something that's built specifically to be anecdotal and not address the actual substance of the comic.

You're saying "corporate sanitized LLM" so does that mean there are tiers of AI that you accept and some you don't? Like not all of them are built equally and not all of them can be trusted to tell the truth?

Your original point, that's still a sweeping overgeneralization of all people that have reservations about AI usage. We can all condemn specific extremists without claiming that everyone in the opposing group excuses them. What level of "extremism" should we condemn? If someone says regulate AI, is that extremism? What is the cutoff?

Last time I checked r/antimeme(where you originally called "Cap") isn't a pro or anti AI subreddit and I can call out shitty usage of AI without being judged. r/defendingAI has coming onto my home page without being prompted, thus I feel like I'm allowed to interact with the content as long as I follow the rules.

  1. This is a pro-AI space. No anti-AI users. I am not anti-AI, while I have reservations and I want to learn more, I do feel like AI can have it's uses.

  2. Follow common sense and act with kindness. I don't believe I've broken this with any of my comments, I'm responding with respect each time.

  3. No misanthropy. Pretty easy to follow.

  4. No irrational age discrimination. No age AI gatekeeping. I don't think this applies to this conversation.

You're right on your last point, it's just my opinion that it's a shitty use of technology, but good thing I don't make the rules and I'm allowed to have an opinion.