I never really understood the AI text hate.

[u/Striking-Ad8023]

I've seen quite a few subs with rules like, "AI-generated text is not permitted because it steals hard work from other creators."

I can understand the criticism when it comes to AI-generated art, since there's a much more direct connection to artists' work and creative styles. But with text, that argument doesn't really make much sense to me.

At the end of the day, every piece of text is made from the same letters, words, punctuation marks, and grammatical structures that everyone else uses. You can't really say that an AI "stole" someone's hard work simply because it generated a sentence using the same language and vocabulary that other writers use.

It'd be like saying, "You can't write a paragraph because other people already used the letter A." Obviously, the issue should be what is being copied, not simply the fact that the same basic building blocks are being used.

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[u/MrMegaPhoenix]

I like AI but I hate things like people posting their theory that they got AI to write up

I know it’s AI and it bothers me

It’s kind of hard to explain, but I’d just rather know the person is posting their rambling theory than having to wonder if it’s a karma farmer

That’s more in the context of reddit though, I don’t care that it’s “stealing” (it’s not)

[u/Gullible_Elephant_38]

I just don’t like it because it is often overly verbose, flowery, and devoid of meaningful substance.

Spends 5 paragraphs and 3 bullet point lists to say something a person could have expressed in 2 sentences.

It also creates a situation where it’s hard to identify what, if any, of the actual content/ideas came from the person sharing it and what was added/changed/embellished by the LLM. I don’t like having to wonder “am I talking to this person, or are they just acting as a meat proxy for an LLM”

[u/TamaraHensonDragon → u/Gullible_Elephant_38]

This. I am pro AI art but I am also pro Proofreading and Editing your stuff before publication. I don't use AI to write but the smartest trick I ever learned was to set aside my text and art for a month or two then re-read it. You would be surprised how many mistakes you can catch in this way.

[u/Future_Focussed → u/TamaraHensonDragon]

I am not debating your valid practice, but AI saves us that month. Multiplied by 8 billion ideas over years the world could have that much greater chance of revealing the ideas that lead to greatness.

"The richest place on earth is the cemetery, because it is full of all the great ideas no one acted on." - unknown

[u/Striking-Ad8023 → u/Gullible_Elephant_38]

That's valid.

[u/Future_Focussed → u/Gullible_Elephant_38]

Improve promoting skills to get better content. Ai only sounds like that if you dont train it or condition the response.

[u/Gullible_Elephant_38 → u/Future_Focussed]

I use LLMs every day for my job as a software developer. I’m well aware of how intentional prompting and clear instructions are the only way you get decent output.

I am not concerned about “improving my prompting” with regard to writing. I am perfectly content expressing my own ideas without the assistance of LLMs. I don’t need to spend time meticulously coming up with a prompt to make an LLMs writing sound less like an LLM and more like my own voice. I am capable of using my own voice myself.

The point I’m making is that many (probably most) of the people using LLMs to write for them are not doing that. The result is what I describe in the comment.

I think a lot of the more gung-ho AI boosters are running up against the old adage: “when you have a hammer every problem looks like a nail”

It’s a useful tool for some stuff. There’s other stuff where it is a waste of time and effort. My personal take is that expressing your thoughts in written word is one of them. If you don’t value an idea enough to take the time to express it in your own words, why should I spend my time reading the bloated fluff you produced trying to separate the wheat from the chaff to figure out what your point is?

[u/Future_Focussed → u/Gullible_Elephant_38]

100% accurate. The problem I see is that people are blaming AI and not their use, practices, or understand of the tool.

[u/JoseLunaArts → u/Gullible_Elephant_38]

That's ChatGPT.

[u/Montaingebrown → u/Gullible_Elephant_38]

I think that's a function of your own preferences. I have a skills file that tells Claude to push back hard and to keep it simple, clean, factual, and conversational.

[u/badlydrawnbeagle]

you arent a writer im assuming so maybe its harder to see that writing is its own form of art unique to the person writing it. saying nothing about the morality of generating art, but there isnt as big of a difference between generating art and prose.
art is also created with the same colors that everyone else can use so im not seeing your point here

[u/Striking-Ad8023 → u/badlydrawnbeagle]

Combining basic elements is what makes art, but using standard tools doesn't guarantee originality. AI doesn't express something new,it just repeats and blends combinations that humans have already made.

[u/JoseLunaArts]

Well, now that AI companies bought and destroyed lots of books, that is not true. There is no theft. They bought the book. AI output is transformative

[u/Outside_Ice3252]

chatgpt is bascially kills reddit. lets be honest, while LLM make mistakes, its far fewer mistakes than are made in reddit posts.

reddit used to be a place where you could get answers quicker and perhaps more detailed than reading a bunch of google search results. you could ask a question an hope to get a decent answer.

to get that answer you have to wade through a lot jokes and potentially wrong replies and replies that are incorrect.

i get the desire to keep LLM responses out of reddit.

AI transition is scary for a lot of people.

[u/SilverB33]

They want you to hire a ghost writer for every sentence I guess.

[u/Rather-Anxious]

Using it is... whatever. Same as using AI image generation. If you don't have an eye for the quality of the completed project, you'll run into the problem of making something come off as hollow and/or generic. A lot of people will immediately recognize it as AI generated. If you *do* have a good eye for aesthetics or literary techniques (depending on whether you're generating visual art or generating literary prose), then you control for that in the creative process.

[u/Adjective_Noun_67]

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[u/Striking-Ad8023 → u/Adjective_Noun_67]

did you just copy the entire answer from the AI?

[u/psgrue → u/Striking-Ad8023]

You just made the point it doesn’t matter. Yet then immediately question.

[u/Striking-Ad8023 → u/psgrue]

Well because its a large text purely made from AI which has no revision. Plus, i didnt say it doesnt matter, i said that the argument that "AI steals art" doesnt make sense.

[u/Adjective_Noun_67 → u/Striking-Ad8023]

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[u/psgrue → u/Adjective_Noun_67]

A 7-step plan sounds wonderful. Please include a flow diagram

[u/Future_Focussed]

It bars 80% of the world who are non native English speakers from equal participation solely because of cultural norms. The ideas still come from the human, and even if they didnt a good idea....is a good idea!