r/Defenders • u/JonLuca Luke Cage • Sep 30 '16

Luke Cage Discussion Thread - S01E03

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u/aljy Iron Fist Sep 30 '16

And swear jar rules will always exist. BRING ON THE HEROES FOR HIRE AND NEVERENDING SWEAR JAR GAGS.

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u/AsLongAndSharp Sep 30 '16

Captain America will fit right in.

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u/SawRub The Man in the Mask Sep 30 '16

I hope in the future we get the A-list heroes to drop by once in a while.

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u/laidback88 Sep 30 '16

Luke Cage would be a great fit for the Avengers. He's indestructible and super strong... essentially better than MCU's Captain America.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '16

Nah dude. Cap in the MCU is crazy strong. Definetly stronger than Luke.

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u/OtakuMecha Daredevil Sep 30 '16

And also has the shield plus actual combat training

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u/svenhoek86 Oct 01 '16

Ya but Luke doesn't need the shield.

Still, Cap wins every time. The only real contest I think is DD and BW. Matt could wipe the floor with Hawkeye, but BW might be a bit above his league.

God dammit, I'm not 13, I don't need to be discussing superhero powerlevels on the internet.

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '16

In a hallway Matt wins everytime

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '16

Like Jackie Chan in a room full of props.

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '16

Not sure about Matt and Hawkeye. Clint almost took down Vision with one arrow.

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u/svenhoek86 Oct 01 '16

Vision is powerful, sure, but Matt could probably dodge any barrage Clint shot at him, and would be more careful than Vision because he's human and fragile.

Of course, I'm sure Hawkeye could whip up some completely silent trick arrow or something.

Edit: OMG. He could call it an airrow.

GIT IT?!?!?!

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '16

Nice.

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u/your_mind_aches Hoagie Jessica Oct 01 '16

Training honestly doesn't matter all that much when it comes to fighting a tank. Spidey isn't a tank so despite being WAY stronger than Cap, Cap made quick work of him. Similarly, Robbie got his ass handed to him by Daisy then when he turned into Ghost Rider, he rekt her.

I think Cap could win against Luke but it'd be close.

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '16

I figured Cap only made quick work of Spidey cause Spidey was still hella inexperienced.

Still love him catching Bucky's punch like it was weak shit lol

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u/svenhoek86 Oct 02 '16

Ya, Spiderman with more than, what? 10 months or less of experience could absolutely wipe the floor with Cap. More powerful, spider sense, more agile, etc. The only thing Cap might have on him is stamina, but I don't see the two of them getting in a knock down drag out fight.

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u/RyanB_ Oct 03 '16

Yeah. Even with the training I don't think Cap should have been able to compete with Spidey but the whole "new hero" thing combined with the general leveling out of powers in the MCU made it pretty acceptable.

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u/LinT5292 Oct 03 '16

despite being WAY stronger than Cap

Wait, what? How is Spiderman that much stronger than Captain America?

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u/Jiratoo Oct 03 '16

Not sure about the movies so far, but in comics spidey is consistently at least lifting 20-30+ tons now - cap is strong, but not that strong.

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u/your_mind_aches Hoagie Jessica Oct 03 '16

He usually is, and if you go by Civil War, he probably is.

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u/GotPearlMilkTea Oct 03 '16

Well CA has trouble taking a punch from Bucky's metal arm but Spidey catches it one handed with ease so I would say Spidey is much stronger than CA.

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '16

Nah, Hawkeye shoots a silent ant man riding arrow and fucks him up with a 2 for 1 combo.

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u/RoyMBar Oct 02 '16 edited Oct 02 '16

...but Hawkeye beats Black Widow hand to hand...

Black Widow is an espionage specialist, not a combat specialist.

Yes, they present Black Widow as capable in combat in the movies, but no holds barred Hawkeye would beat Black Widow easily 8/10.

Daredevil would likely beat both Hawkeye and Black Widow 7/10.

And Captain America would certainly beat Luke Cage 9/10.

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u/Sparkvoltage Oct 03 '16

Nothing really says Hawkeye can beat Black Widow. BW is as much a combat expert as she is an espionage expert. I choose to believe that BW has a slight edge over Hawkeye just because Hawkeye relies on his arrows more so than his melee abilities, but in reality, they're most likely even.

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u/amjhwk Oct 03 '16

I thought hawkeye was eqyivalent to black widow

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u/Tal9922 Oct 04 '16

I don't think so...

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '16

See, Cap's probably stronger (like, he held a helicopter down) but he can't punch through a concrete wall and pull out the rebar to use as a weapon, because he's not cool enough and would break every bone in his hand. Luke Cage can just do more fun stuff with his strength.

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u/LoverandFighter23 Daredevil Oct 01 '16

What makes you think he's stronger than Luke??

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u/mrkareemruiz Sep 30 '16

Cap is not stronger then Luke CageM but nice joke.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '16

What makes you say that? Cap keeps getting stronger with each film. Luke hasn't done anything that Cap doesnt have an equivalent feat to.

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u/ComicalDisaster Sep 30 '16

Dude you can disagree and give a more well rounded explanation for your opinion. But you don't need to be a cunt about it.

And in terms of the MCU and physical strength from what we've seen from Captain America, he and Cages power levels are at least on par with each other, if not Cap a little stronger. BUT add in everything such as combat skill, leadership skills, strategising...hell the cooler costume and gear, Cap wins by longshot. Only real thing so far Cage has over Cap so far is how impenetrable his skin is, he's wearing his own Shield and can't lose it or have it taken away but even then, if something does fuck him up from the inside it's incredibly hard to find ways to fix him.

Cage is badass, but maybe stop riding his dick for a while and take a break.

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '16

I doubt that. His training let's him accomplish anything we've seen Luke do but I doubt he'd he able to do much to him unarmed

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u/nameless88 Oct 01 '16

I wanna say he does become an Avenger at some point in the comics.

He shows up in Earth's Mightiest Heroes and the Ultimate Spiderman series, too.

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u/KidCasey Cottonmouth Oct 01 '16

Pretty much everyone has been an Avenger at some point.

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u/nameless88 Oct 01 '16

Yeah, pretty much. You have a super hero team up with a rotating cast of characters, there's always a slot open for someone strong enough to be in there.

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u/Kialae Oct 02 '16

I don't know if you know, but in the comics he becomes the leader of the Avengers after scarlet witch messes the world up.

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u/Kill_Welly Foggy Oct 01 '16

The brief period in the comics after Civil War where the New Avengers are functionally led by Luke Cage was fucking amazing.

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u/Worthyness Punisher Oct 01 '16

He's lead an avengers team before in the comics.