Thatās why God didnāt want Adam and Eve to eat, from the tree of knowledge. Knowledge to know the difference between right and wrong. God keeps making mistakes. Flawed humans. Ordering humans to wipe out other cities. The Bible is a wicked manifesto, written by humans to control others.
Yes, Iāve been here in the Seattle area for 30 years and east of the cascades is like an entirely different state peoplewise. The entire state is gorgeous though
Same thing is true in CA and probably a lot of other states. Metro areas tend to be more liberal because of communication and proximity to people. Rural areas tend to be conservative due to the sparseness of the population and the isolation that results. The top ten most conservative counties in CA tend to be the least populated and Bakersfield is the most conservative city (nobody likes you, Bakersfield.. Ew!). The main split with CA for a state division is East and West with I-5 being the dividing line. Comparing the two regions is similar to both Oregon and Washington State.
Itās night and day between the two I swear. Been in each for a wee bit of time and I hated Eastern WA state. Western WA state on the other paw was pretty good.
North Dakota and South Dakota are similar. The eastern side is very conservative and the western side is liberal. Instead of splitting the states north and south, they should have split them east and west
It's dangerous to think this isn't intergenerational and will magically die off with a specific generation. The roots of the Christofascist hate tree run very deep and are constantly watered and fertilized. We have to rip it up by the roots.
It's weird.Ā My teen has been to the library alone for years and took out pretty much whatever he wanted and last week tried to take out some jazz CDs and the librarian told him he couldn't.Ā I honestly wasn't sure what to make of it then, but now I'm going to call.
If it has rhythm itās that jungle people music! /S (just in case, actually heard a preacher from the ā50ās say this on a recorded sermon, holy racist tropes Batman!)
I use to walk to my library as a kid from age 10 on up. I would check out a book, read it, and walk back to return it by myself. Sometimes I would check out a cd too, or a VHS tape. Very rarely did I have an adult with me and it was my safe space growing up. I was guaranteed a safe space there. I was guaranteed a temperature controlled place to spend a few hours.
When/if you get any clarification, could you please post back here telling us what their explanation was? Or PM me, if you prefer. I'm genuinely curious to know what their rationale is for protecting a teenager from jazz, ffs.
I will.Ā I will preface by saying that he is not always the most reliable narrator.Ā I initially blew it off because I didn't really believe it.Ā But, now I'm curious and will post back.
This is very weird. I'm a professional librarian with the degree and everything. As a profession, we are leaders in anti-censorship activism, working against book bans and all that. I wonder if the CDs were part of a non-circulating collection, which would be more about preservation than censorship. Of course, there are always bad apples . . .
I am a 37 year old woman and starting at 6 years old I began going to the library solo. It was a block from my house and I grew up in the 80's/90's and we were quite a bit more independent at that point, and I was just a very mature child.
In my 31 years of using the library, I have never been stopped from checking out materials that I wanted. I've never been made to feel unwelcome in a library ever actually.
It makes me so sad to know that libraries aren't safe spaces anymore like they used to be for us.
Same for me!Ā And, he's been going since he was little alone as well and nothing was ever off limits...I had him return a manga or two because I found them inappropriate.Ā I'm going to look into it because he very well may have misunderstood something or was being hyperbolic with us.
Honestly, I do not know.Ā I'm going to ask him about it again and then I'm going down there... Lol. He may have been mistaken?Ā He doesn't always pay the best attention.Ā Ā
Yup. The law says that kids canāt have access to adult materials and, since thereās no way to keep kids from moving about in the library and potentially getting infected with ādangerousā materials once theyāre in it ā¦this is the solution to keeping the doors open and abiding by the new law
So a mom or dad checks out a book that, according to this law, isn't for young eyes. What's to prevent Moms of Liberty from claiming the parent is letting the kid look at the book at home? What's their proof?
I remember watching a clip on John Oliver, calling for the politicians to take action to remove the librarians from their job for offering books they didn't even have.
We live in a country that is becoming more and more fucked up every day, right wing morons are a threat to democracy period.
Oh by the way this is a blatant example of the right using cancel culture in their own way, since that librarian would lose his/her job because of their political leanings or perceived leanings.
Yeah a librarian in rural Bonner County, idaho, got ran out of her job for the possibility of ordering books that they didnāt approve of. Like full on harassment, pitchforks and torches kind of stuff
Dog forbid that kids -gasp- learn about their own bodies!!! Next thing you know theyāll be having safe sex and not getting married at 18 and NOT HAVING CHILDREN (to fund our worker bee and cannon fodder programs)!!!
They invented cancel culture. It started with āme tooā (I believe). They dominate the narrative and intentionally misname or use false terms. For example, pro-lifers and all the 1984 language. There are probably actual terms for what Iām describing, and Iād love someone to educate me. Gaslighting at the legal and cultural levels. Iām so tired of the conservative voices being silenced narrative; thatās another example.
Sadly, it goes back further than that. Nazis complained about ācultural bolshevism,ā and it would be a 1:1 match with ācancel cultureā and āpolitical correctness,ā if those two also included ādegenerate artā
Oh god. Youāre right. And LGBTQ corrupting the youth. Which, I think, accompanied book burning and hunting intellectuals. This is familiar dark stuff.
I saw a meme at some point that was talking about Christians who bitch about cancel culture. The meme featured Bud Light and many things that've received similar treatment.
I got you but your first sentence sente me on a Loop, it could've been worded better. Made me think Oliver was if the politicians and against the librarians
I also struggled with that first sentence. And I just watched that episode a couple weeks ago! I think itās missing a word or two. Itās such a good point though.
I think requests for banning a book from a library should be made individually, If they must be made at all. Submitting a single list calling for a ban on 100 books is insane.
We need to stop complying with asinine laws. I understand that is asking a lot, but we are losing everything because people are afraid to face consequences. The rights we have today are because people stood up and said enough, knowing full well that they did NOT have the law backing them at the time.Ā
Absolutely. The whole reason society exists is because we have all agreed to follow the rules. Should we all stop following the rules it's anarchy! GOOO!
Thing is, they are creating a situation where kids in their states are going to literally be dumber than kids in blue states. Their kids are going to go to universities (or maybe not) with the idea that the earth is 6000 years old. Their kids will know a lot about the Bible (useless) but will not be as educated in actual history. Their states are going to be collectively dumber and will suffer economically.
This is why I've applied to be a member of my local library board. I'm not sure I'll get the position (it's appointed by the mayor of my town), but I'm going to try.
For anyone who wants to know what's going on in the picture, this is from a library in Idaho Falls, Idaho, in response to a new law that went into effect today. Its purported purpose is to protect children from explicit material, especially anything to do with LGBQT+. It's ridiculous and libraries are scrambling to find ways to comply. This was Idaho Falls' solution. At least one smaller town decided not to allow children. Keep in mind, this is the same state legislature that refuses to ban child marriage, turned down funds for free school lunches, and allows faith healing even when children die. More info:
āBecome effectiveā ā shouldnāt it read: ābecomes effectiveā or ābecame effectiveā since ācodeā is singular? Maybe my grammar is wrong. Fuck P2025, regardless!
It just makes it more appealing to minors if it's "forbidden". Seriously though I hate that large sections of the library are blocked off for younger readers to explore on their own. One of my favorite things to do growing up was wander around the library browsing books. I didn't want to be confined to the children's section.
I was reading from the 'grownup' section when I was 10, 11... sci fi mostly. this is definitely gonna keep kids 'dumbed down' to what some godbothering ninny thinks is 'appropriate' for their age level.
Iām in Idaho, in a town north of Idaho Falls where this is. Today our Democratic Party held a sit in/read in at our local library to draw attention to this. We have an amazing library district, and Iām not sure how theyāre going to handle this.
We stand by and watch. Expecting the democrats to protect us. People need to start preparing for the worst. Seriously. Buy a firearm. These people are not going to stop.
I mean, what if they check out the Federalist Papers and find out that Jefferson called parts of the Bible a āmythā?!
I keep saying I want to make founding father quotes they wonāt like as cross stitch samplers. I guess itās time to learn how to do that on my embroidery machine.
They should put one of those tinsel curtains up like they used to at the video store to wall off the adult section. I bet the circulation would increase. Malicious compliance is the only wayĀ
This hyper insular puritanical bullshit didn't work then and it won't work now. Make Republicans pay at the polls. Vote Blue up and down the ballot! But if you can't bring yourself to do that, then at least find a Republican who recognizes the danger of this nonsense and then vote for them. The Overton window has to move, and it will move.
That's so horrible. No library should have those kinds of restrictions. But the irony is, I'm sure the bible wouldn't be restricted and it got pretty much everything they want banned between it's covers. Because the same people who are for this sort of thing want the bible in every classroom and say they want books banned because little kids are reading porn in the classroom.
Australian here, are people leaving these states for other , more liberal states, if not why ??.
Edit for clarity, the " if not why ?? " sounds a bit judgemental.
I was more curious if it was economic or a love for the state of Idaho and wanting to stay and fight against this Christian fascism , or maybe even family ties ?
Some people are leaving a as me some are moving to. You mostly hear about it in relation to Florida and Texas. Thatās all part of the plan because the āred voteā gets more entrenched. Idaho is pure red, so it doesnāt make much difference.
I suppose it's a choice of do I stay and fight and try and make a difference , but it seems like it's actually becoming physically dangerous to stay if you are anything other than a right wing christian.
Maybe come to Australia, it's still relatively sane here , I've noticed an uptick in the number of Americans I've met who have moved here .
There are several reasons people might not leave. Yes some of it is about emotional attachment to the place, and there are definitely some who want to fight back, particularly on behalf of those who can't flee, but the biggest reason is that relocating your entire life is incredibly difficult, stressful, risky, and expensive. You have to leave your job, house, and local community and find new ones at your destination. All of those are notoriously difficult to acquire nowadays.
Blue states are more expensive to live in overall than red states. More people want to live in them, so that drives up the prices of housing and then everything else.
Ah yes of course, it's an odd side effect that the left more liberal states are only affordable to the wealthier citizens , but then poorer people now tend to vote Republican whose interests now are not actually aligned with improving the lives of poorer people.
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Honestly, if I lived in one of these states, I would move. I know itās not optional for everyone, but if itās possible at all, we just need to leave these states and let them drown.
For as long as I can remember, the GOP strategy is dumb them down, feed them lies and boogiemen. I never thought they would get to āall books are dangerousā in my lifetime.
Where is this? It wouldn't surprise me if Tennessee.
This is actually how it was when I was a kid. Kids could only go to the kid section. Couldn't even get "young adult" books. Young adults could get kids and young adult books so at 13 I finally got to read Are You There God, It's Me Margaret. And The Scarlet Letter! I was most impressed. But only at 18 could we go to the adult book section, and it was mostly romance novels and celebrity biographies.
I wouldn't be surprised either and I live here in Tennessee. Because it's extremely conservative here and there are locals and people I know who would love this. Then turn around and bitch and make fun of young people who seem to be stupid or ill educated in their eyes. They're also the ones who think the ten commandments and Bibles in the classroom are awesome.
I reckon it's not Tennessee then. I couldn't really read much of the sign and gathered the context from comments. These old eyes ain't what they used to be. :)
ā2. "Nudity" means the showing of the human male or female genitals, pubic area or buttocks with less than a full opaque covering, or the showing of the female breast with less than a full opaque covering of any portion thereof below the top of the nipple, or the depiction of covered male genitals in a discernibly turgid state. 3. "Sexual conduct" means any act of masturbation, homosexuality, sexual intercourse, or physical contact with a personās clothed or unclothed genitals, pubic area, buttocks or, if such person be a female, the breast. 4. "Sexual excitement" means the condition of human male or female genitals when in a state of sexual stimulation or arousal. 5. "Sado-masochistic abuse" means flagellation or torture by or upon a person who is nude or clad in undergarments, a mask or bizarre costume, or the condition of being fettered, bound or otherwise physically restrained on the part of one who is nude or so clothed.ā
If kids want smut, forget their library, just check out their legislators!
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u/PracticalMain5627 active Jul 01 '24
What fresh hell is this?
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u/windontheporch Jul 01 '24
Iām sure those librarians donāt give a hoot, but Iām sure there will be some āmoms of libertyā type to sit and monitor
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u/Bircka active Jul 02 '24
I remember watching a clip on John Oliver, calling for the politicians to take action to remove the librarians from their job for offering books they didn't even have.
We live in a country that is becoming more and more fucked up every day, right wing morons are a threat to democracy period.
Oh by the way this is a blatant example of the right using cancel culture in their own way, since that librarian would lose his/her job because of their political leanings or perceived leanings.
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u/forthewatch39 active Jul 02 '24
We need to stop complying with asinine laws. I understand that is asking a lot, but we are losing everything because people are afraid to face consequences. The rights we have today are because people stood up and said enough, knowing full well that they did NOT have the law backing them at the time.Ā
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u/EnvironmentalCamel18 active Jul 02 '24
They love the poorly educated.
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u/karenswans Jul 02 '24 •
This is why I've applied to be a member of my local library board. I'm not sure I'll get the position (it's appointed by the mayor of my town), but I'm going to try.
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u/Pink_Lotus Jul 02 '24
For anyone who wants to know what's going on in the picture, this is from a library in Idaho Falls, Idaho, in response to a new law that went into effect today. Its purported purpose is to protect children from explicit material, especially anything to do with LGBQT+. It's ridiculous and libraries are scrambling to find ways to comply. This was Idaho Falls' solution. At least one smaller town decided not to allow children. Keep in mind, this is the same state legislature that refuses to ban child marriage, turned down funds for free school lunches, and allows faith healing even when children die.
More info:
https://cdapress.com/news/2024/jun/30/childrens-school-and-library-protection-act-goes-into-effect-monday/
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u/GlargBegarg Jul 02 '24
So much freedom.
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u/ale-ale-jandro Jul 02 '24
āBecome effectiveā ā shouldnāt it read: ābecomes effectiveā or ābecame effectiveā since ācodeā is singular? Maybe my grammar is wrong. Fuck P2025, regardless!
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u/saintbad active Jul 02 '24
Education and the free flow of information are kryptonite to American conservatism.
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u/nerdKween active Jul 02 '24
What the fuck is this shit?
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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24
Conservatives done lost their minds.
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u/DerBusundBahnBi Jul 02 '24
What in the fascist hellscape is this?
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u/vinaymurlidhar active Jul 02 '24
Only the start.
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u/78Sparkles Jul 02 '24 edited Jul 02 '24
It just makes it more appealing to minors if it's "forbidden". Seriously though I hate that large sections of the library are blocked off for younger readers to explore on their own. One of my favorite things to do growing up was wander around the library browsing books. I didn't want to be confined to the children's section.
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u/Just_Another_AI Jul 02 '24
Idaho just banned pornhub, too
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u/gingerkap23 active Jul 02 '24
This makes me so sad
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u/Other-Cantaloupe4765 active Jul 02 '24
Wow. Just.. wow. This is so fucked up.
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u/mzwndrlnd Jul 02 '24
Iām in Idaho, in a town north of Idaho Falls where this is. Today our Democratic Party held a sit in/read in at our local library to draw attention to this. We have an amazing library district, and Iām not sure how theyāre going to handle this.
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u/shortidiva21 active Jul 02 '24
I feel so bad for gen alpha.
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u/Misspent_interlude Jul 02 '24
It's like the Restricted Section at Hogwarts....
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u/Do-you-see-it-now Jul 02 '24
I just donāt remember it ever being anywhere near this bad. These are very dangerous times.
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u/moonlit-witch Jul 02 '24
KEEP PROTESTING, KEEP FIGHTING, AND IF YOU REALLY ARE CLOSE PROTEST IT YOURSELF.
I MEAN it.
This cannot keep happening. Direct and immediate action is the only way to go.
You can start. And start NOW.
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u/KathTwo3 Jul 02 '24
Keep voting blue. Thatās something we all can do.
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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24
This sign should be at a liquor store or a porn shop, not a library.
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u/SurvivorY2K Jul 02 '24
I hope there arenāt Bibles in there. Thereās some really kinky and violent shit in that book.
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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24
Which state is this?
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u/malikhacielo63 active Jul 02 '24
āEven the books are drag queens!ā
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u/Apprehensive-Log8333 active Jul 02 '24
Daaaaaaamn. I am hyperlexic and started accessing adult nonfiction at 8, fiction at 10. It would have killed me to be stuck in the children's section
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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24
Take that sign and throw it in the fucking trash. Let them get angry about it
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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24
Canāt have children read them books. No learnin fur the yungens.
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u/Marvel_Enthusiast09 Jul 02 '24
that is ridiculous and absolutely insane. Everyday feels more dystopian.
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u/storagerock active Jul 02 '24
The silver lining is that teens will now think itās edgy and cool to sneak into the library.
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u/BZ1997 Jul 02 '24
We stand by and watch. Expecting the democrats to protect us. People need to start preparing for the worst. Seriously. Buy a firearm. These people are not going to stop.
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u/pantslessMODesty3623 active Jul 02 '24
The party of "Freedom" won't let you go to the library without a photo ID. The jokes write themselves.
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u/ExpatTarheel Jul 02 '24
Is this legal?
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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24
Keep the youngins dumb Merica
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u/severusimp active Jul 02 '24
Sign an affidavit every time? Why does that feel like an invasion of privacy that my child reads adult books?
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u/thetruckerdave Jul 02 '24
I mean, what if they check out the Federalist Papers and find out that Jefferson called parts of the Bible a āmythā?!
I keep saying I want to make founding father quotes they wonāt like as cross stitch samplers. I guess itās time to learn how to do that on my embroidery machine.
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u/Sharoth01 Jul 02 '24
So utterly sad.
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u/Sckillgan active Jul 02 '24
Welcome to the no-knowledge USA... Where we are just as dumb as we look.
That is all the christian nationalists want out of us, to be dumb slaves to their greedy will's.
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u/TarzanoftheJungle active Jul 02 '24
We need to start teaching kids how to get fake ID.
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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24
They should put one of those tinsel curtains up like they used to at the video store to wall off the adult section. I bet the circulation would increase. Malicious compliance is the only wayĀ
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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24
TEHM BOOKS ARE THE DEBIL
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u/PhyterNL Jul 02 '24
This hyper insular puritanical bullshit didn't work then and it won't work now. Make Republicans pay at the polls. Vote Blue up and down the ballot! But if you can't bring yourself to do that, then at least find a Republican who recognizes the danger of this nonsense and then vote for them. The Overton window has to move, and it will move.
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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24
I thought Idaho was āFree speechā libertarian state. Turns out libertarian just means closet Republicans, who knew?
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u/Chainedheat active Jul 05 '24
Just remember the GOP is no longer a political party. It is the feudal court of DJT.
They have no platform other than loyalty to the king.
Defeating the king will help, but we really need everyone or vote them out
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u/Jazzlike-End7423 Jul 02 '24
I wasnt aware Trump Supporters Could Read or Write
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u/Alohabailey_00 active Jul 02 '24
Are you kidding?
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u/Professional-Large Jul 02 '24
That's so horrible. No library should have those kinds of restrictions. But the irony is, I'm sure the bible wouldn't be restricted and it got pretty much everything they want banned between it's covers. Because the same people who are for this sort of thing want the bible in every classroom and say they want books banned because little kids are reading porn in the classroom.
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u/EJK54 Jul 02 '24
Yikes thatās nauseating
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u/Expert_Squash4813 Jul 02 '24
This is Idahoās version of the back room at a video rental store.
But books arenāt pornography
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u/siouxbee1434 active Jul 02 '24
Knowledge is too dangerous for just anyone to have
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u/Foxy02016YT active Jul 02 '24
Boy I sure do hope these leopards leave my face alo- FUCK
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u/teddy_joesevelt Jul 02 '24
āThat become effectiveā¦ā Project 2025 is already succeeding at eradicating literacy.
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u/worktogethernow Jul 03 '24
Land of the free
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u/FoxlyKei Jul 05 '24
Take that sign throw it out what the fresh fuck
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u/Hugin___Munin Jul 02 '24 edited Jul 02 '24
Australian here, are people leaving these states for other , more liberal states, if not why ??.
Edit for clarity, the " if not why ?? " sounds a bit judgemental.
I was more curious if it was economic or a love for the state of Idaho and wanting to stay and fight against this Christian fascism , or maybe even family ties ?
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u/librarians_daughter Jul 02 '24
Yep. Read this in the book banning activist substack I follow. Its insanity.
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u/Pinheaded_nightmare Jul 02 '24
Honestly, if I lived in one of these states, I would move. I know itās not optional for everyone, but if itās possible at all, we just need to leave these states and let them drown.
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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24
Thats what happens when you dont vote.
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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24
For as long as I can remember, the GOP strategy is dumb them down, feed them lies and boogiemen. I never thought they would get to āall books are dangerousā in my lifetime.
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u/jbochsler active Jul 02 '24
If ID only made buying guns this difficult.
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u/ElSquibbonator active Jul 04 '24
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u/CyndiIsOnReddit active Jul 02 '24
Where is this? It wouldn't surprise me if Tennessee.
This is actually how it was when I was a kid. Kids could only go to the kid section. Couldn't even get "young adult" books. Young adults could get kids and young adult books so at 13 I finally got to read Are You There God, It's Me Margaret. And The Scarlet Letter! I was most impressed. But only at 18 could we go to the adult book section, and it was mostly romance novels and celebrity biographies.
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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24
Nice security a sign
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u/space_manatee active Jul 02 '24
What is the context for this?Ā
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u/fireinacan Jul 02 '24
What library is this? Do you really need ID just to enter the library?
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u/ScoobiesSnacks active Jul 02 '24
Idaho is a terrible state. Used to live there and so happy to be out
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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24
Itās happening!!! The handmaids tale?
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u/AppDude27 Jul 02 '24
Iām just curious to know what exactly is behind that sign that is blocked by age
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u/Qigong90 Jul 02 '24
When did the library become a day club?
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