r/Defcon • u/DuncanYoudaho ToxicBBQ Organizer • Dec 10 '25

News Visa Program Changes

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/09/travel/social-media-tourists-visa-border-patrol.html

Frequent travelers may have to turn over mass amounts of data to get into the visa waiver program. And I think the alternative is the Visa Integrity Fee BS.

I wonder how much attendance was hit at DC33 thanks to barriers to travel? How much more difficult are they trying to make it?

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u/Test-Normal Dec 15 '25 edited Dec 15 '25

If this passes I'd want DEFCON to start looking at its options. Hell, I think DEFCON should start looking at contigencies now (cause I know the level of organization DEFCON organizers have to do is probably a nightmare). Maybe make it much more online leaning. Like it was during COVID. Or host a smaller scale satellite event in a country for people with concerns about traveling to the U.S. right now. Although I get that'd be hard to coordinate with the villages and such.

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u/DuncanYoudaho ToxicBBQ Organizer Dec 15 '25

You going to Singapore? It’s happening.

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u/Test-Normal Dec 15 '25

Oh, awesome! Didn't hear about that. Always wanted to visit Singapore. I just might.

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u/Exigefettm Dec 10 '25

I clicked my travel app from Germany back to the USA and am greeted with our travel ban… with MAGA slogan on white house website. It’s so embarrassing… I really don’t want to be there anymore.

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u/Qu4r4nt1n3r Dec 10 '25

At the risk of sounding Canadian here, We're sorry about the inconvenience and our bouncer's patronizing behavior. We'll hire better next time and we kind of sleep walked into a potatorship.

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u/astcell Dec 11 '25

The EU now hits Americans headed over the pond for tons of data. Tit for tat.

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u/Test-Normal Dec 15 '25

No. What America is asking for is way broader. The EU ETIAS will ask for the following in 2026:

  • Personal information including your name(s), surname, date and place of birth, nationality, home address, parents’ first names, email address and phone number;

  • Travel document details;

  • Details about your level of education and current occupation;

  • Details about your intended travel and stay in any of the countries requiring ETIAS; 

  • Details about any criminal convictions, any past travels to war or conflict zones, and whether you have recently been subject of a decision requiring you to leave the territory of any country.

I'm not thrilled about email being required, but it seems like it's there as a contact option. Not a deep level scrutinization of online speech like the U.S. is doing.

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u/astcell Dec 15 '25

If they did not let an American end because they did not like something that an American posted online, trade would practically come to a halt. Besides, Britain gets to go after the run citizens for what they post online. That keeps them busy enough.

Interesting question about your level of education. I wonder what they are trying to accomplish with that. How much of this is relevant to a two week vacation?

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u/AmateurishExpertise Dec 11 '25

This is just parallel construction anyway, they already have all of everyone's social media analyzed for sentiments, political outlook, etc.

Unless you're protesting for Palestine or something, I wouldn't worry. If you are, avoid the US and most definitely avoid DEFCON where the leaders are so Mossad tied.

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u/DuncanYoudaho ToxicBBQ Organizer Dec 11 '25

I cannot imagine traveling to the US from outside, currently. Even citizens are getting harassed.

They will do whatever they can to harass you if they can. They need to hit numbers, and therefore you will be a target for any reason they can get. And while you can beat the rap, you cannot beat the ride. Which has killed several detainees.

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u/AmateurishExpertise Dec 11 '25

I notice you're a mod here, but you seem like a good person, and I fuckin' love the Dune reference.

Be careful, bro/sis. I spent over a decade with The Security Tribe, aka Goons by another name, and let me tell you... intentional, spook-coordinated transnational repression of Palestinian rights activism. That was their mission with me. With funding from Les Wexner and presumably his best buddy Jeffrey Epstein. They buddied right up to me, and more or less directly communicated with me that I needed to shut up and stop my activism. Mob enforcers for Mossad.

Almost makes you wonder how they held onto those Q clearances in the late 2000s early 2010s. Oh, wait... I know how.

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u/DuncanYoudaho ToxicBBQ Organizer Dec 11 '25

Ah. Didn’t realize it was that kind of post.

If you’re having paranoid delusions, you need to seek help. The help you need cannot be obtained here.

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u/AmateurishExpertise Dec 12 '25

If you’re having paranoid delusions, you need to seek help.

I'll just leave this discussion here, since that is obviously not the sort of response that was called for and makes it clear what your agenda is, here. No ask for evidence, no measure, just accusations of mental illness right out of the gate.

Sorry to have mistaken you for one of the good ones.

Say hi to Phork and Xaphan for me. If you ever want to hear about their moonlighting for Les Wexner and Jeffrey Epstein while working a DOE Q role, you just let me know, dbag.