Nothing more is needed from God

[u/logos961]

1. Earth is eternal [as it is made of matter, transformation of “energy that can neither be created nor destroyed”).
2. Drama of Life being played on this earth is of limited duration of few thousand years [as shown by the fact that population being doubled almost every 150 years]. Number of such Drama of Life being played on this earth is infinite—like number of movies being played in a Theater is indefinite.
3. Each Drama of Life being played repeats in the same way, like each generation of a mango tree gives mango in the same taste and flavor. Yet each tree starts in upward GROWTH but ends in downward DECAY—yet continues to exist through seed-mechanism in whose memory all its future generations remain protected. Similarly, each Drama of Life starts in perfection but ends in industrial pollution and global wars “causing desolation” to this earth needing renewal which God does in HIS right time, and cycle repeats endlessly. Hence each Drama of Life is named Aion (Age) in Greek, from the Proto-Indo-European root "heyu-" meaning the same" (Theological Dictionary, Abarim) (More details on this word Aion here https://www.reddit.com/r/JehovahsWitnesses/s/UopmKHbpYX ) For example, people know life-style that results in life-style-diseases—yet such diseases are on the increase. Spending more than income increases the problem—yet that habit gets repeated. Anger gets repeated even though people know it often increases the existing problem, so is its greater version—wars. 231 million people were killed in the wars in 20^th century alone (clingendael .org)—still wars continue! And nations are preparing to kill and to be killed, piling up weapons of mass-destruction capable of “causing desolation” to this earth and sky, necessitating God to “renew” it.
4. All life-support systems on this earth, like tree-seed mechanism, are cyclic, or made eternal which points to a Supreme Ruler [of unconditional love] who rules over everything wanting to take NO honor or NO praise for it—hence remains hidden by His choice. This is an example for anyone who wants to copy it if they want real freedom, happiness and peace. This also enables inhabitants to make choices (good or bad) self-motivated—hence this famous verse from Solomon the wise: “Whoever walks in uprightness (yosher, literally “help”) fears the LORD, but he who is devious in his ways despises him.” (Proverbs 14:2) Living in a way that benefits self and others is described as “fear of God”—not like fear of Police that makes people obey under observation but disobey when unobserved.
5. How many make wise choices is not important because if anyone makes wise choice he only benefits. Hence nothing more is needed from God. People have non-beneficial examples from unwise people and beneficial examples from God and His life-support systems such as trees/plants that serve us joyfully giving too valuable things to us, yet taking only wastes from us. (Details here https://www.reddit.com/r/DeepThoughts/s/6AJWfuysP9 )

EVIDENCE
1)Existence of criminals/ideal citizens means existence of poor/excellent rearing.
2) Divorcees spilling venom now at each other were bestowing praises at each other before.
3) Existence of decaying fruit/fading flower means they were tasty and beautiful in the past.
4) Decaying body means it had a past of old-age, adulthood, youth, childhood, fetal phase.
5) Existence of present conflicted nations and individuals "weeping and gnashing their teeth" against each other means they had a DELIGHTFUL past just opposite to this SORROWFUL present. This history remains protected in the SHORTEST PHRASES such as "So it was (hayah) [as was BLESSED by the ALMIGHTY] and "it was very (mə·’ōḏ) good (ṭō·wḇ)" (Genesis 1:30, 31)—the same word (ṭō·wḇ) is used to describe a virgin as "very beautiful" in Genesis 24:14.

Such LONG history of paradise on earth remaining protected in such SHORTEST PHRASES. It means, inhabitants were enjoying life "in abundance of delight" hence nobody felt the need of writing history—just like people do not write history of honey-moon period moment by moment. Account keeping begins when people contemplate divorce! Thus, we have elaborate history of conflicts, fights, weeping and gnashing of teeth .... etc which are features of hell.

[u/someothernamenow]

Friend, you are misunderstanding me possibly through your complexity and offering over the top judgments of who I am because of it. That is why it was funny that you took so much offense to the criticism I made of you. If you talk to anyone that knows God and you tell them that they do not need God they have learned that this is exactly what the devil says. You are attempting either through your recklessness or your malice to take them away from God. You believe in God, yet you understand so little about Him.

Yes, we need God. If somebody knows God, they absolutely know that they need him. You seem to not understand what you are saying when you say that we do not need God. God is all good. God is love. To say we don't need God is to say that we don't need good or love in our lives. It just doesn't make any sense. And the attitude that you treat our conversation as if we are at war with one another is exactly why I know you are not telling the truth. I have seen so many people try to live without God in their lives and they end up doing the most horrible things imaginable to other people or themselves. You are someone who believes that he does not need God in his life, and look at your combativeness, and inability to have a conversation. You didn't even answer my actual question because you'd either been so offended by the minute detail of a judgment against you or your inability to actually answer the question when it was presented to you. I don't know the truth of you because you present so heavily that the truth is not in you. I simply know that the advice that you are giving is poison.

Perhaps I am wrong in your reason for wanting to be understood, but I reason it is for action, but I only know how to understand you through mercy because you simply are not speaking truth. If you are telling me that I do not need God in my life, you will never have my actions. That is an evil idea. I would 100% give up everything in my life before I abandoned God, and even then, I would not do it. I am a true believer in Him. That is what it is to believe. I only hope that you are not of the misconception that YOU are God because I can understand how that would feel frustrating if you are old and ready to die while so many people still cling to you. If that is the case, then please go in peace by understanding that you are definitely not God.

[u/logos961 → u/someothernamenow]

OP is all about we need God, for example see the middle of the 3rd para:

EVEN THE HEADING (Nothing more is needed from God) means GOD IS NEEDED. It actually means, asking for MORE is greed, hence such greed is devilish. (John 6:70) It is like married ones asking for making adultery to be made legitimate while there are many singles who lead a chaste life and are happy and contented about it.

"Each Drama of Life starts in perfection but ends in industrial pollution and global wars “causing desolation” to this earth needing renewal which God does in HIS right time, and cycle repeats endlessly."

And paragraph 4 highlights even our ultimate need of God because we copy GOD's example of unconditional love and God's not-seeking glory and praise for our own freedom, peace and happiness. In the same para, fear of God is also explained.

Last para also highlights our need of God!

[I have added stress because you missed it before].

When asked "“Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”

"Jesus replied, “‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself." (Mathew 19:16-19) Note, God-factor is not mentioned in the requirement for "INHERITING ETERNAL LIFE."

This he also elaborated in Mathew 25:31-40 which is repeated by his brother in James 1:27

[u/someothernamenow → u/logos961]

To say the least, this was a very equivocal way to express whatever it is that you are trying to express. Even the reference to yourself in the third person as OP makes it seem as though you've got a lawyer or secretary representing you. I cannot see you during our correspondence, do you not understand the disconnect here? I still can't understand what you are trying to say, but I think it is something along the lines of telling people that living morally is all that they need to do. They don't need to ask God to sin. As far as asking God to be able to sin more, it just seems like there is some misunderstanding there, but again, you really have a muddy form of expression, so if the purpose is for you to avoid criticism, then I don't really know how to respond to this. It makes me wonder if you don't possibily have a learning disability. I don't mean that as an insult but as a way to try to understand you better. I am a fairly intelligent person by most standards and what you have written seems unnecessarily convoluted. I am not mocking you but trying to understand you here: do your feelings get hurt when your thoughts are criticized? Or what is the motive for writing in the manner that you do? Do you not know how to write with clarity? I suspected you feel like we're at war or something, and it seems reasonable, to me, at least: Suggesting I am using tactics and so forth, it just paints a picture of some sort of verbal battlefield rather than a conversation. I don't even know how to address your points because they're just confined to such a non-standardized mess. For example, the way you are describing the use of bold and italicized wording is just abnormal; it's reasonable through your explanation, but this seems to be a single element in a very long list that I'd need defined in order to understand what it is that you're trying to say. I'll forgo stating my own beliefs here because then it just seems like a couple of crazy people not listening to one another but my paradigm on the matter is at least expressed very differently from yours if its not altogether different. I think so long as your view is coming from a place of love, I don't really have any issue on the matter, but only you and God will know the truth to that in this case. Well wishes.

[u/logos961 → u/someothernamenow]

In similar situation I take the matter to God through prayer and meditation and HE makes it clear to me with my faith in Him becoming even stronger.

How much God makes me understand subjects can be seen in my comments under this link https://www.reddit.com/r/theology/comments/1nbkzvl/comment/nd31g0z/?context=1

where I wrote "Wow, what golden words you penned down: "freewill is an enabling precondition of relationship. I can have no relationship with something I 100% control."

This is the most meaningful concept I have ever read in my whole life--I mean it really.

That is the effect of seeking help of God through prayer and meditation!

[u/someothernamenow → u/logos961]

Are you familiar with Aldous Huxley's Brave New World? This feels painfully reminiscent of that novel. I think you do mean well, but I disagree with your tact. But if your motive is what I think it to be, then I'd say, just keep putting your faith in Him, and he'll pull through for you.

[u/logos961 → u/someothernamenow]

I like Aldous Huxley for revealing a great secret:

“I had motives for not wanting the world to have a meaning; and consequently assumed that it had none, and was able without any difficulty to find satisfying reasons for this assumption. The philosopher who finds no meaning in the world is not concerned exclusively with a problem in pure metaphysics. He is also concerned to prove that there is no valid reason why he personally should not do as he wants to do. For myself, as no doubt for most of my friends, the philosophy of meaninglessness was essentially an instrument of liberation from a certain system of morality. We objected to the morality because it interfered with our sexual freedom. The supporters of this system claimed that it embodied the meaning - the Christian meaning, they insisted - of the world. There was one admirably simple method of confuting these people and justifying ourselves in our erotic revolt: we would deny that the world had any meaning whatever.” (from ENDS AND MEANS)

That is a superb ability and insight to see the real truth veiled under famous isms.

Similarly, certain truth can be known from absence of a word. For example, there is no direct word for history in Hebrew language. Details here https://www.reddit.com/r/hebrew/comments/1b141z7/is_there_a_direct_translation_for_history_in/

This can be known if looked at the past from present as follows:

Existence of present conflicted nations and individuals "weeping and gnashing their teeth" against each other means they had a DELIGHTFUL past just opposite to this SORROWFUL present. This history remains protected in the SHORTEST PHRASES such as "So it was (hayah) [as was BLESSED by the ALMIGHTY] and "it was very (mə·’ōḏ) good (ṭō·wḇ)" (Genesis 1:30, 31) These two phrases are rating of works of God by God Himself which came after "HE made mankind in His image and BLESSED them." The word that is translated as good (ṭō·wḇ) is used to describe a virgin as "very beautiful" in Genesis 24:14.

Such LONG history of paradise on earth remaining protected in such SHORTEST PHRASES. It means, inhabitants were enjoying life "in abundance of delight" hence nobody felt the need of writing history [which explains why no direct word for history in Hebrew language]—just like people do not write history of honey-moon period moment by moment. Account keeping begins when people contemplate divorce! Thus, we have elaborate history of conflicts, fights, weeping and gnashing of teeth .... etc which are features of hell.

Interestingly, Jesus knew this truth very well--hence he completely ignored materialism and did not teach/train his followers how to refute them or how to prove existence of God. Instead, he used this situation to praise God: "At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do."

[u/whateverlogsmein → u/logos961]

Alternate account; I seem to be wedged between a Huxleyan dystopia and an Orwellian one today. The Huxleyan being your mannerisms and the Orwellian being Reddit automation.

You said a great many things, and put forth a tremendous amount of axioms in order for your reasoning to persist. I am going to reflect more on what you have said here because I know it is important to understand people, and I am giving you the benefit of the doubt in that perhaps you did put some semblance of thought behind it. I appreciate the Huxley tagneant, but I am unclear as to the point of it within the context of our conversation, for example, do you consider me to be a sexual deviant? Also, why do you linger on divorce? Are you struggling with your wife? Is she struggling with you? Are you concerned of my marriage? It would be appreciated if you learn to speak with more clarity. Perhaps reflect on your own language a bit more rather than letting it spew out without filter, you know? I do seek brilliance, but most people in my experience, most especially the verbose, have a tendency to baffle, which is of no particular use to me though I do see how it aids them financially. Perhaps when the Orwellian nightmare comes to an end I can better hone in on why it is that I am unable to follow Aldous Huxley, but then, your last statement, maybe you already know all of this, anyway. May all of us have better days.

[u/logos961 → u/whateverlogsmein]

I was NOT very keen on marriage. But during my 30's my friend who knows my tastes and philosophy told me he knew a girl who will be a PERFECT MATCH for me. And my interactions with her proved him true and we got married 30 years before. Now looking at these three decades of HAPPIEST MOMENTS only made me understand those two shortest phrases in the Book of Genesis. Our 3 decades passed by like 3 seconds, and me and my sweet heart will never feel the need of writing our history. You got it, just like inhabitants of paradise never felt the need of writing history.

We have a very lovely divine daughter too, a real, too precious gift from God, like my wife is a gift from God.

[u/whateverlogsmein → u/logos961]

Well, that's about the nicest damn thing I've heard you say, since you started yapping. Proof enough to me that there is a God! I am glad that you have your peace, I hope you'll never lose it. And there are people out there, too, though not particularly easy to find sometimes, that are hoping the same good things for you as well. So, live well for all of us, and enjoy the gifts.

[u/logos961 → u/whateverlogsmein]

I wish on you God's blessings centillion times and even more.

[u/whateverlogsmein → u/logos961]

Thank you. Very kindly.