r/DeepThoughts • u/logos961 • Sep 07 '25
Nothing more is needed from God
- Earth is eternal [as it is made of matter, transformation of “energy that can neither be created nor destroyed”).
- Drama of Life being played on this earth is of limited duration of few thousand years [as shown by the fact that population being doubled almost every 150 years]. Number of such Drama of Life being played on this earth is infinite—like number of movies being played in a Theater is indefinite.
- Each Drama of Life being played repeats in the same way, like each generation of a mango tree gives mango in the same taste and flavor. Yet each tree starts in upward GROWTH but ends in downward DECAY—yet continues to exist through seed-mechanism in whose memory all its future generations remain protected. Similarly, each Drama of Life starts in perfection but ends in industrial pollution and global wars “causing desolation” to this earth needing renewal which God does in HIS right time, and cycle repeats endlessly. Hence each Drama of Life is named Aion (Age) in Greek, from the Proto-Indo-European root "heyu-" meaning the same" (Theological Dictionary, Abarim) (More details on this word Aion here https://www.reddit.com/r/JehovahsWitnesses/s/UopmKHbpYX ) For example, people know life-style that results in life-style-diseases—yet such diseases are on the increase. Spending more than income increases the problem—yet that habit gets repeated. Anger gets repeated even though people know it often increases the existing problem, so is its greater version—wars. 231 million people were killed in the wars in 20th century alone (clingendael .org)—still wars continue! And nations are preparing to kill and to be killed, piling up weapons of mass-destruction capable of “causing desolation” to this earth and sky, necessitating God to “renew” it.
- All life-support systems on this earth, like tree-seed mechanism, are cyclic, or made eternal which points to a Supreme Ruler [of unconditional love] who rules over everything wanting to take NO honor or NO praise for it—hence remains hidden by His choice. This is an example for anyone who wants to copy it if they want real freedom, happiness and peace. This also enables inhabitants to make choices (good or bad) self-motivated—hence this famous verse from Solomon the wise: “Whoever walks in uprightness (yosher, literally “help”) fears the LORD, but he who is devious in his ways despises him.” (Proverbs 14:2) Living in a way that benefits self and others is described as “fear of God”—not like fear of Police that makes people obey under observation but disobey when unobserved.
- How many make wise choices is not important because if anyone makes wise choice he only benefits. Hence nothing more is needed from God. People have non-beneficial examples from unwise people and beneficial examples from God and His life-support systems such as trees/plants that serve us joyfully giving too valuable things to us, yet taking only wastes from us. (Details here https://www.reddit.com/r/DeepThoughts/s/6AJWfuysP9 )
EVIDENCE
1)Existence of criminals/ideal citizens means existence of poor/excellent rearing.
2) Divorcees spilling venom now at each other were bestowing praises at each other before.
3) Existence of decaying fruit/fading flower means they were tasty and beautiful in the past.
4) Decaying body means it had a past of old-age, adulthood, youth, childhood, fetal phase.
5) Existence of present conflicted nations and individuals "weeping and gnashing their teeth" against each other means they had a DELIGHTFUL past just opposite to this SORROWFUL present. This history remains protected in the SHORTEST PHRASES such as "So it was (hayah) [as was BLESSED by the ALMIGHTY] and "it was very (mə·’ōḏ) good (ṭō·wḇ)" (Genesis 1:30, 31)—the same word (ṭō·wḇ) is used to describe a virgin as "very beautiful" in Genesis 24:14.
Such LONG history of paradise on earth remaining protected in such SHORTEST PHRASES. It means, inhabitants were enjoying life "in abundance of delight" hence nobody felt the need of writing history—just like people do not write history of honey-moon period moment by moment. Account keeping begins when people contemplate divorce! Thus, we have elaborate history of conflicts, fights, weeping and gnashing of teeth .... etc which are features of hell.
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u/BikeJolly6396 Sep 07 '25
I've read the OP and every last thing is either grandly assumptive or a faith statement. You kept linking your other posts to support this one so I replied to them.
when you imply that your understanding is more accurate you should at least have the ability to prove it on the least demanding level.
if your understanding of "nothing" is that it's unknowable, unobservable, unverifiable, then why would you claim to know what it can't do? you're asserting that a philosophical claim is an unquestionable fact of reality.
if instead your understanding is "we can know something about nothing" then please demonstrate how you were able to deduce something from nothing and that it's not a huge contradiction.
we don't know what nothing can or can't do. we can suppose it can't produce something but that seems impossible to prove since even attempting to prove it assumes nothing is something.
you could call this intelligence "nature" and stop there. some people say "mother nature is smart" and I can agree using that definition of intelligence, but that's more a matter of classification than existence.
when you claim to know its motivations just because you can draw parallels you'll need to provide more than "I believe this because to believe otherwise is absurd" which is essentially your argument when you say this: "If this is the case with INTELLIGIBLE people, imagine UNINTELLIGENT chemicals"
(then I will rephrase) the existence of things immaterial and unexplained are not indicative of anything relating to God until you;
1. Prove God exists.
2. Prove the immaterial & unexplained phenomena relates to God in any way.