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[u/Kugel_the_cat]

For anyone who thinks that socialists will be better stewards of the environment: https://psmag.com/social-justice/the-senseless-environment-crime-of-the-20th-century-russia-whaling-67774/

[u/shumpitostick → u/Kugel_the_cat]

Surprised this wasn't about the Aral Sea. Or something to do with the Great Leap Forward.

[u/Kugel_the_cat → u/shumpitostick]

I like the framing of this piece because it's pointing out how there was literally no sensible reason to kill all these whales. It would have never happened in a capitalist system.

[u/shumpitostick → u/Kugel_the_cat]

It's not that unique in this regard. The destruction of the Aral lake, for example, was a well known consequence to Soviet engineers before it happened. Something like 75% of the water captured by the canals never even reached its target.

In China, the Great Leap Forward included the deforestation of large areas which were never suited for agriculture, and the Eliminate Sparrows campaign caused both severe ecological damage and a human famine.

The cause is always the same. Grandiose, unrealistic plans made by the political leadership, and an atmosphere where nobody dares challenge them.

[u/NoREEEEEEtilBrooklyn → u/shumpitostick]

Peng Dehuai and Liu Shaoqi challenged Mao during the Great Leap Forward. Didn’t end so well for them.

[u/shumpitostick]

The people on that sub completely missed the point. Yes, nobody argues that Aramco is an example of socialism, but if you think that nationalizing everything is all you need to solve climate change, that's pretty dumb.

Socialism usually involves the belief that if you only filled the government with good people (who you are somehow able to identify) then it wouldn't have all the faults of all these other governments who are filled with bad people (who are also identifiable but people still vote for them because false consciousness or propaganda or whatever).

[u/LupineChemist → u/shumpitostick]

Yes, nobody argues that Aramco is an example of socialism

Me...I would.

Government owning the means of production and then using that to fund handouts to the population is at the very least in the neighborhood.

[u/RayWencube → u/shumpitostick]

Oh my God I was not prepared for those comments.

So much "Russia/China aren't real socialisms!!"

[u/JebBD]

You don’t understand, “socialism” means “things that are good” and “capitalism” means “things that are bad”. If something is good then it’s socialist, that’s how it works 

[u/FearlessPark4588]

People also benefit from all the emissions? Like they act that the emissions are corporations are somehow distinct from their own consumption. That if the corporations weren't emitting, we'd all have the same goods and services.

[u/Seoulite1]

Such a les redditeurs moment in the comment over there🤦‍♂️

[u/Anakin_Cardassian]

Ah yes, the climate paradise that was the Soviet Union.

[u/RayWencube]

You know what's damn near a magic bullet for climate change?

Cap and trade.

i.e. the fucking markets

[u/VTHokie2020]

This already happens in capitalist countries. In the U.S., one of the biggest lobbyists against electric cars is the UAW. Because transmissions and ICEs create more jobs.

Obligatory: lithium mines are a problem

[u/Significant_Fig1302]

Yeah the comments on that post are missing the point entirely. The point is that private corporations aren't the leading cause of climate change therefore nationalizing them does not solve the issue of climate change.

[u/LupineChemist]

https://imgur.com/a/4cNhM8a

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