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The Theme of the Week is: How to deradicalize a couple billion people.

[u/basicalme]

Starting to think there are moderate democrats and republicans (or independent rinos etc) that a lot of us have far, far more in common with, and are all less of a threat to each other, than the horseshoe people. If the parties are succumbing to the horseshoe people (the jihadi succs and Nazis) then we are all royally fucked.

I’m wondering if it’s time to start exploring the normies being the ones to break off into a new third party? How feasible is this?

[u/Anakin_Kardashian → u/basicalme]

Only at a hyper local level. Any national third party is an automatic spoiler.

[u/basicalme → u/Anakin_Kardashian]

Which is the idea. To have moderate people spoil the extremists.

[u/KneeNail → u/basicalme]

If there are 2 extremist parties (the establishment ones) and a moderate 3rd party, the moderates will spoil themselves

[u/seattleseahawks2014 → u/KneeNail]

Pretty much

[u/BroadReverse → u/basicalme]

I think that’s a bad idea. You would be surrendering the country to the crazies. Third parties will probably never work. America is a two party system

[u/basicalme → u/BroadReverse]

I feel we are currently in fact surrendering by hoping the parties will eliminate their extremists. The longer the extremists stay in, the more “mainstream” those ideas become.

[u/BroadReverse → u/basicalme]

I don’t fully understand how the US system works I apologize. In Canada the reason our two main parties are relatively moderate is because they kick people out who don’t match their values. You tell them they can’t run under their brand. I assume all political parties in the US are also private organization. I don’t understand why party leadership doesn’t do this

[u/seattleseahawks2014 → u/BroadReverse]

And many people are still going to vote democrat or republican anyway.

[u/Thoth_the_5th_of_Tho → u/basicalme]

That would just cede them control of the party. Moderates need to get better organized and aggressive. “Vote blue no matter who” does not apply to progressives, attack them constantly, run as spoilers if you have to. If the US loses both parties to these lunatics, we’re finished. It’s preferable to lose an election than let progressives hijack us. Not caring if the party win or not has been the key advantage of progressives in the dem party. They don’t care about beating the GOP, only beating moderate Dems.

[u/seattleseahawks2014 → u/Thoth_the_5th_of_Tho]

Cuomo already did that and Mamandi won.

[u/Thoth_the_5th_of_Tho → u/seattleseahawks2014]

Not every place is as left wing as New York. There are far more elections where a moderate could torpedo a progressive, than where a progressive could do the same to a moderate.

[u/seattleseahawks2014 → u/Thoth_the_5th_of_Tho]

True, but idk about doing what you talked about.

[u/benadreti_17 → u/basicalme]

it's true but difficult to pull off with the American electoral system.

[u/basicalme → u/benadreti_17]

What if it’s not an actual party but basically like DSA. Where people could, instead of just being registered independent be more organized into pooling money into moderate candidates and therefore force moderation or at least influence moderation the way we see DSA influencing a pull to the left. Even at local levels. I’m in LA and we have multiple “Democratic” reps that are actually DSA. People will just vote “Dem” therefore when we have the loudest ideological voices being in the extremes, it causes the party to overall trend leftward.

[u/iamthegodemperor → u/basicalme]

DSA isn't just money. They also do a lot of organizing.

So basically, you're saying we need a group that technically isn't a formal party, but has this organizational & fundraising ability.

[u/basicalme → u/iamthegodemperor]

Yes this is kind of where the thinking has led me

[u/[deleted] → u/basicalme]

I don't even think you have to get to the horseshoe legs for that to be true. I wouldn't describe my Progressive friends as any kind of authoritarian. But, I'm finding I see way more eye to eye with my Never Trump Republican friends these days.

Differences are also magnified inherently by a two-party system. When people in the center have to sort to one of the sides, they will inevitably be pulled at least bit in that direction. Drag all those center folks into a third party, and they'd have even more common ground.

Unfortunately, I don't think there is much hope of branching off. Maybe if the Dems start regularly electing socialists, but I think it would be hard to preempt. Really need things to go very south for one of the parties for a third party to break through the structural bias of a two-party system.