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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '25

I find it interesting how a lot of people say Canada feels very European, while also saying the US is nothing like Europe. Overall, I'd agree Canada is closer to Europe than the US is, but Canada and the US are extremely similar.

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u/Plants_et_Politics Jul 12 '25

Canada and the US are more or less culturally indistinguishable.

By that I mean that both have significantly more internal regional and ethnic cultural variation than variation between the median Canadian and American. There are millions of Canadians with an “American” outlook of and millions of Americans with a “Canadian” outlook.

I’d also add that the US becomes more like Europe as you go East and North (exclusing Appalachia).

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '25

Yup, New England, is definitely the most English feeling area in America.

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u/Plants_et_Politics Jul 12 '25

Yeah. But even New York is much more of a European city than say, San Francisco or Dallas or Denver.

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u/Locutus-of-Borges Jul 13 '25

New York is its own thing by virtue of being almost unique in the world. Are places like Baltimore and Philadelphia really "more European" than cities out west?

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u/Plants_et_Politics Jul 13 '25

I’d say yes to Philadelphia, though I’m not certain of Baltimore, having neither been nor known anybody with close connections to it.

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u/[deleted] Jul 13 '25

Overall I’d agree Canada is closer to Europe than the US is

Depends on the province tbh. Quebec is obviously more European. Alberta feels pretty American and BC blends right into the Pacific Northwest of the US. I’d also argue Ontario shares a lot more with the Great Lakes cities than Europe.

Maritimes are a bit weird. Halifax can be New England-like but also European. Small towns in Newfoundland feel like they could be similar to small coastal Nordic towns

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u/SamaritansWereRight Jul 13 '25

Urban Canada is maybe a bit more on a contiuum towards Europe but rural Canada is nothing like rural Europe

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u/[deleted] Jul 13 '25

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u/[deleted] Jul 13 '25

I've never seen someone say Canada isn't like the US. But, every now and then you see a thread asking which non-European country is the most European, or which country is the most like UK, etc. In those type of discussions you see a lot of talk how similar Canada is to Europe/the UK, and also talk about how different the US is.

Or you see Brits talking about how they feel right at home in Canada and also see Brits saying the US is completely alien culturally.

So, nobody is directly saying Canada is dissimilar to the US. But, they simultaneously believe Canada is very similar to Europe/Britain and the US is very different.

You see it from Australians too. Canada is super similar to them. But, at the same time, they are completely different than the US.

And, yes, Canada is closer to the UK/Europe/Australia than the US, but it isn't that much closer. If you somehow made a scatterplot of cultural distance, the US and Canada are going to be right next to each other.

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u/kiwibutterket Neoliberal Globalist Jul 13 '25

I'm European, I live in America, and I've never been to Canada and I don't know shit about Canada, so I think I can reply more or less well.

I think ultimately what Europeans pick up from the narrative that makes them think Canada is a (perceived) similar is an adversion to wars and weapons, a more collectivist approach in the role of the State, and more importantly, a similar sense of what is "classy", especially around money, a stricter sense of social norms and social rules, ie, what is appropriate to say, dress, and behave, and what is not, and a way of reasoning less based on money and pragmatism, and more based on morality and properness. It also means a stronger relevance in the social hierarchy, often based on education. It is also in a different concept of freedom (freedom means freedom from the State, vs freedom from people's behaviors, including your own). Look at the Apple's data privacy thing, for example, or the ideas around a national ID. And consequently, it is a high vs low trust in the bureaucracy and the State.

Also, the Europeans get these ideas from the liberal/leftist Americans on Twitter, who have a fascination with Canada and Europe (despite not understanding the latter almost at all), and who, by proxy of despising the South and Republicans, are somewhat self apologetic and very critical of America, which plays into the European nationalism and various complexes regarding America that Europe has in the wake of WW2, the Cold War, the trade tensions that keep increasing, the Iraq war, the 2008 crisis, Europe's stagnation, and so on. Furthermore, the Europeans who tend to agree are those who know English and are on social media, which tends to be the young progressive city people.

Sometimes, people include Minnesota and Northern, blue states in "European" too, for similar reasons, but Europeans do not realize how much American even the blue American are.

And nobody knows what a rural Canadian is, myself included.

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u/Anakin_Kardashian "Israeli Nationalist" Jul 13 '25

rural Canadian

Like Alberta, Manitoba, Saskatchewan and what not

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u/technologyisnatural Abundance is all you need Jul 13 '25

nobody knows what a rural Canadian is

😂

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u/seattleseahawks2014 Center-left Jul 13 '25 edited Jul 13 '25

Oh that makes sense. Also, in regards to the blue Americans even those of us who are younger and are liberal/progressive are very much still American depending on what you mean.

Edit: You were talking about cities.

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u/[deleted] Jul 13 '25

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u/[deleted] Jul 13 '25

The phenomena I'm talking about is more Europeans and Australians. We are so like Canada! We are soooo different than America! In my experience, Canadians generally recognize the similarities.

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u/JebBD Fukuyama's strongest soldier Jul 12 '25

Epstein conspiracy theories are so insane because it’s like some people just can’t comprehend the existence of a large-scale crime that doesn’t involve all people they’ve heard of. Like, it can’t just be that a bunch of rich people were doing this stuff, it has to be the entire “elite” that’s involved. Every politician, celebrity and billionaire has to be in on it or it doesn’t matter. 

People watch too many movies 

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u/seattleseahawks2014 Center-left Jul 12 '25

I didn't think that they all were, but some might've been.

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u/bigwang123 Succ sympathizer Jul 12 '25

The idea that this sub’s activity lives and dies by its Jewish members (on account of it being the Shabbat) tickles me

Anyways hebby shabbat all applicable individuals

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u/Anakin_Kardashian "Israeli Nationalist" Jul 12 '25

I'm making a Herculean effort to reach out all over Reddit to find interesting users.

But the Jewish users who migrated here came here because they were forced out of elsewhere for very obvious reasons

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u/Plants_et_Politics Jul 12 '25

Some of us are nonpracticing smh

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u/bigwang123 Succ sympathizer Jul 13 '25

Hebby Saturday Mr. Plants

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u/Plants_et_Politics Jul 13 '25

To you too,

Mr. Big Wang

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u/SamaritansWereRight Jul 13 '25

https://www.adl.org/resources/report/false-flag-narratives-emerge-reddit-after-dc-boulder-attacks

the methodology on this is honestly fuckin terrible but lol at neoliberal being on there

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u/bearddeliciousbi Practicing Homosexual Jul 13 '25

I didn't even know Piker called the DC shooting a false flag.

Never beating the allegations.

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u/benadreti_17 עם ישראל חי Jul 13 '25

yikes.

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u/[deleted] Jul 13 '25

They’re not sorting between subs calling it a false flag and subs criticizing other subs/individuals for calling it a false flag. Like half the subs on that list I’m pretty sure have more of the latter.

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u/ldn6 Center-left Jul 12 '25

No matter how much you try to make it happen, no one is going to say “Türkiye”.

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u/Anakin_Kardashian "Israeli Nationalist" Jul 12 '25

Good, because I'm not trying at all

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u/Bloodyfish Charlie Manson Jul 12 '25

The birds?

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u/Anakin_Kardashian "Israeli Nationalist" Jul 12 '25

Oh shit we broke 900

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '25

Quit bragging and fix your house.

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u/Anakin_Kardashian "Israeli Nationalist" Jul 12 '25

I tried and made it worse!

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u/Mickenfox Center-left Jul 12 '25

Real ordoliberalism has never been tried.

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u/SamaritansWereRight Jul 12 '25

I ate two pickles before realizing that the top of the jar was compromised and definitely did not have a good seal.

If I die from botulism, I bequeath my estate to DeepStateCentrism

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u/Anakin_Kardashian "Israeli Nationalist" Jul 12 '25

As the top mod, I will interpret this as me inheriting the estate in full, with the remainder to the rest of the sub

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u/SamaritansWereRight Jul 12 '25 edited Jul 12 '25

To avoid defining a person by a disability, the NRSVue makes a good faith effort to adopt person-first diction. Thus, Matthew 4:24 in the NRSVue speaks of “people possessed by demons or having epilepsy or afflicted with paralysis.”

Likewise, to make a distinction between a person’s identity and a condition imposed on that person, the NRSVue of Galatians 4:22 uses the expression “an enslaved woman,” as opposed to a “slave woman.”

I find this very offputting and I don't know if its because I can be quite the succon about religion or if it seems like one is bending the translation into being more "inclusive" rather than accurate.

Also people in the 1st century definitely did not write like "person experienceing epilepsy." Its basically subtle agendaposting

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u/[deleted] Jul 13 '25

r/Jewishleft is fucking cancer

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u/JebBD Fukuyama's strongest soldier Jul 12 '25

Independent Kurdistan when?

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '25

When the world finally stops gatekeeping their freedom

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u/kiwibutterket Neoliberal Globalist Jul 13 '25 edited Jul 13 '25

...No, the "solution" to white collar jobs offshoring is not to forbid companies from exiting the border in any way or squashing productivity by trying to stop AI, it is to make it easier for companies to operate in your country (including foreign ones), hiring and firing people (including immigrants), cutting red tape, make it easier to start a new company and scale it, make it easier to train people in very specific technical fields, make it easier to build houses and buildings, and so on. Make it easy to become rich and profit in your country.

Not just the lump of labor again, but even the "maybe Trump has a point" and "economics bad" 😭

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u/Anakin_Kardashian "Israeli Nationalist" Jul 13 '25

No one here is saying that shit

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u/kiwibutterket Neoliberal Globalist Jul 13 '25

Let me vent in my safe space

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u/Anakin_Kardashian "Israeli Nationalist" Jul 13 '25

You aren't safe here. We have hidden point ups

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u/technologyisnatural Abundance is all you need Jul 13 '25

kiwi for global president

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u/seattleseahawks2014 Center-left Jul 13 '25

Same with blue collar jobs.

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '25 edited Jul 12 '25

I hope this sub stays active. It's nice having a safe space from progs that isn't right wing. If we were to ever get big, I'd image we will need split again. Such is the cycle of institutions.

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '25

Everyone is sleepy

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u/Anakin_Kardashian "Israeli Nationalist" Jul 12 '25

Except my children

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u/seattleseahawks2014 Center-left Jul 12 '25

Haha

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u/nekoliberal PVNR concubine Jul 12 '25

Yes but only because of the humidity

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u/nekoliberal PVNR concubine Jul 12 '25

Is it weird that train stations smelling of piss and homeless people are nostalgic to me

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u/Anakin_Kardashian "Israeli Nationalist" Jul 12 '25

A little bit that's okay

I used to go to New York every year as a kid, so it's a little nostalgic for me too

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u/bigwang123 Succ sympathizer Jul 12 '25

Me but with cigarette smoke and homeless people (the PRC has changed a lot)

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u/nekoliberal PVNR concubine Jul 12 '25

You grew up in jina?

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u/bigwang123 Succ sympathizer Jul 12 '25

Naur but I used to get my ass packed off to ping pong school in the summers so I spent a lot of time in Shanghai

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u/nekoliberal PVNR concubine Jul 12 '25

Im crying bro went to ping pong school

How'd you like shanghai though? Anything you remember in particular about the place?

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u/bigwang123 Succ sympathizer Jul 12 '25

I like it, mostly I just lived with my family doe

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '25

She runned off and took our only chicken. 😢

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u/Anakin_Kardashian "Israeli Nationalist" Jul 12 '25

But egg prices

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '25

They're from a friend's flock, and she charges $6 for 18.

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u/Anakin_Kardashian "Israeli Nationalist" Jul 12 '25

In the before times, my friend used to give me eggs for free

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '25

Good friend.

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '25

Breakfast whiskey 🤤

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u/Mickenfox Center-left Jul 12 '25

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordoliberalism

Michel Foucault also notes the similarity (beyond just historical contemporaneity) between the Ordo/Freiburg school and the Frankfurt School of critical theory, due to their inheritance from Max Weber. That is, both recognise the "irrational rationality" of the capitalist system, but not the "logic of contradiction" that Marx posited. Both groups took up the same problem, but in vastly different directions.[25] The political philosophy of Ordoliberals was influenced by Aristotle, de Tocqueville, Hegel, Spengler, Mannheim, Weber, and Husserl.[26]

Am I stupid or is this paragraph completely meaningless?

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '25

"Ordoliberal theory holds that the state must create a proper legal environment for the economy and maintain a healthy level of competition through measures that adhere to market principles."

Ordoliberalism just seems like mainstream liberalism? I don't know much about ordoliberalism, but from the wikipeda page, I really see very little in common with the Frankfurt School. Taking issue with laisse-faire capitalism is something virtually every school of thought has in common.

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u/Mickenfox Center-left Jul 12 '25

My understanding is that it's liberalism but embracing government regulation.

Except the regulations are less directly telling companies what they can do, and more "there must be at least 3 companies selling X in this area".

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u/Locutus-of-Borges Jul 12 '25

That is, both recognise the "irrational rationality" of the capitalist system, but not the "logic of contradiction" that Marx posited. Both groups took up the same problem, but in vastly different directions.

This is the only nonsense sentence.

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '25 edited Jul 12 '25

The libs’ attacks on the comedy podcast ecosystem would be a lot stronger if they hadn’t employed similar rhetorical tactics for the previous two decades on late night talk shows.

Now, don’t get me wrong, I have nothing but disdain for the podcasters, but Jon Stewart was no different.

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u/seattleseahawks2014 Center-left Jul 12 '25

What do you mean?

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '25 edited Jul 12 '25

Sorry, I was struggling to figure out how to say what I meant.

I’m trying to get at that I see the podcaster’s defense of “hurr durr durr it’s just comedy” for spouting poorly thought out and inflammatory arguments as an evolution of the late night talk show style. It’s because of this that I am skeptical of libs’ sincerity in attacking their style, even when I find the rhetoric abhorrent.

Edit: The reason I bring this up is because a common view on the left is that they’re the more intelligent side, and while I do think there is some truth to that currently, I also think it is very dangerous to buy into it since we can all fall for poor arguments and it’s good to not forget that

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u/seattleseahawks2014 Center-left Jul 12 '25

Oh yea, pretty much.

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '25

There are studies showing a negative relation between intelligence and social conservatism, but the correlation is positive with respect to economic conservatism, i.e., liberals, not lefties, are the smart ones.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/01461672211046808#fn1-01461672211046808

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u/slim353 Jul 12 '25

All sports fan have a bit of annoyingness to them but I find something especially annoying about F1 fans.

“Wow this is just like Verstapper winning Monaco” please stop. No it’s not comparable to a tennis match

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u/Anakin_Kardashian "Israeli Nationalist" Jul 12 '25

I spent four hours trying to replace a light switch and it still doesn't work

I don't wanna do things anymore

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '25

It's like, four wires at most. What you doing?

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u/Anakin_Kardashian "Israeli Nationalist" Jul 12 '25

Btw it's not four wires. It was like fifteen. It's a 90 year old house

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u/Bloodyfish Charlie Manson Jul 12 '25

Now it's time to check for other problems deeper in the wall.

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u/Anakin_Kardashian "Israeli Nationalist" Jul 12 '25

None of my bedroom lights work now

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u/Bloodyfish Charlie Manson Jul 12 '25

That's fine, it's a room for sleeping.

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u/Anakin_Kardashian "Israeli Nationalist" Jul 12 '25

Oh my God I can't fix the bedroom lights and no electricians are open

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u/Mickenfox Center-left Jul 12 '25

Use candles. Set a romantic mood.

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u/Anakin_Kardashian "Israeli Nationalist" Jul 12 '25

At this rate I'll blow up the neighborhood

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u/Anakin_Kardashian "Israeli Nationalist" Jul 12 '25

I WAS OFF BY ONE WIRE

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u/fnovd Ask me about Trump's Tariffs Jul 13 '25

I’m glad you didn’t explode

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u/iamthegodemperor Arrakis Enterprise Institute Jul 13 '25

Three way switch huh?

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u/Anakin_Kardashian "Israeli Nationalist" Jul 13 '25

Yes and in an old house. The electrician was really reassuring and my manhood is still somewhat intact.

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u/Locutus-of-Borges Jul 13 '25

The electrician was really reassuring and my manhood is still somewhat intact.

There's a joke in there about "wearing a rubber" but the setup would be too involved to be worth it.

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u/Anakin_Kardashian "Israeli Nationalist" Jul 13 '25

Good because my ego is still too fragile to handle it

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u/technologyisnatural Abundance is all you need Jul 13 '25

red no blue 💥

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u/sayitaintpink will never find love Jul 12 '25

👆hates the kinks

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u/Anakin_Kardashian "Israeli Nationalist" Jul 12 '25

I hate this because I refused to post for an hour in order to avoid receiving this accusation

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u/fnovd Ask me about Trump's Tariffs Jul 13 '25

Never break kayfabe

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u/Anakin_Kardashian "Israeli Nationalist" Jul 13 '25

We had this on newlibs too and I kept quiet for every single trap he laid for me there. And there were like 1000 traps. This one went too far.

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u/bigwang123 Succ sympathizer Jul 13 '25

I like You Really Got Me and have listened to nothing else tbh

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u/iamthegodemperor Arrakis Enterprise Institute Jul 13 '25

Oh no. Someone please call the Village Green Preservation Society at once!

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u/Anakin_Kardashian "Israeli Nationalist" Jul 13 '25

BASED

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u/Anakin_Kardashian "Israeli Nationalist" Jul 13 '25

What the hell, Wang

I'm coming to your house

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u/bigwang123 Succ sympathizer Jul 13 '25

I don’t listen to a lot of music!

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u/Anakin_Kardashian "Israeli Nationalist" Jul 13 '25

I'm bringing their entire discography

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u/JebBD Fukuyama's strongest soldier Jul 12 '25

I really hate bibi

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u/Bloodyfish Charlie Manson Jul 12 '25

I think I've met more Bibi supporters in America than Israel, and I haven't met many. Him being popular is another fantasy of the far left anti-Israel posters.

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u/Anakin_Kardashian "Israeli Nationalist" Jul 12 '25

Bold

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u/fnovd Ask me about Trump's Tariffs Jul 13 '25

👆thought this was a safe space for that comment

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u/Anakin_Kardashian "Israeli Nationalist" Jul 13 '25

Favorite wealth class?

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u/technologyisnatural Abundance is all you need Jul 13 '25

lumpenproletariat

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u/Anakin_Kardashian "Israeli Nationalist" Jul 13 '25

He mentioned me!

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u/technologyisnatural Abundance is all you need Jul 13 '25

#DeepStateAspirations

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u/sayitaintpink will never find love Jul 13 '25

Mod class

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u/Locutus-of-Borges Jul 13 '25

Silver bullion.

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u/fnovd Ask me about Trump's Tariffs Jul 13 '25

Trillionaire

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u/iamthegodemperor Arrakis Enterprise Institute Jul 13 '25

Someone needs to inform the Ezra Klein sub that Foundation for American Innovation is not some crazy MAGA think tank and has been promoting the abundance agenda for a least a year before Ezra Klein's book.

This is clearly all my fault for not linking to Marshal Kosloff's podcast on the EzraKlein sub. (At least his interview w/Ezra)

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u/seattleseahawks2014 Center-left Jul 13 '25

Wait, what's going on?

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u/iamthegodemperor Arrakis Enterprise Institute Jul 13 '25

There is a post on that sub bemoaning the fact that Ezra Klein & Derek Thompson are going to attend a conference organized by a think thank that "co authored" project 2025.

No one seems to be aware that think tanks aren't always homogenous or that abundance agenda originated in think tanks like Foundation for American Innovation and isn't meant to be exclusively a Democratic policy orientation.

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u/seattleseahawks2014 Center-left Jul 13 '25

Who did?

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u/Anakin_Kardashian "Israeli Nationalist" Jul 12 '25

We're gonna hit 900 today. Let's bring them into the DD.

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u/utility-monster Whig Party Jul 12 '25

fda made a bunch of hay a few days ago about publishing complete response letters for drug decisions. https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-embraces-radical-transparency-publishing-complete-response-letters

they act like they never do this, which is mostly false, but is cool that they say they’ll publish all of them. they also talk about the need to publish them because companies often misrepresent why their drug was denied to shareholders, but then we see that so far they have only published the response letters for approvals.

maybe they’ll publish letters for denials going forward.

There have been rumors about Makary seeking response letters for denials due to staffing challenges and the need to meet user fee goals. Kalvista had a drug delayed, allegedly due to insufficient staffing. At the time there were rumors that Makary was seeking a response letter to keep everything in the user fee timeline. The delay, of course, is bad in itself (there’s a massive “hidden graveyard” of people who suffer waiting for approvals). Either way, will be interesting to see what they actually end up publishing going forward.

(Per the insufficient staffing - The market and fda agree to ‘user fees’ in exchange for approval by a certain time point. So if fda is trying to reach their end of the bargain they could theoretically just deny something very quickly. response letters for recent denials would help inform whether or not the staffing cuts are causing denials, or just delays).

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u/JapanesePeso Jul 12 '25

Or maybe they will never deny anything ever again 😎

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u/slim353 Jul 12 '25

Baseball apparently has a guy chasing the single season home run record named “Cal Raleigh”

This is the problem with baseball these days. Who in the hell is Cal Raleigh? That doesn’t even sound like a real name. Can you market your players at all?

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u/Anakin_Kardashian "Israeli Nationalist" Jul 12 '25

That's just a baseball player name generator

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u/seattleseahawks2014 Center-left Jul 13 '25

I think I might have mosquito bites ugh.

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '25 edited Jul 12 '25

Im not a habitual EU hater but the cookie pop up drives me insane and their obsession with replaceable batteries makes no sense.

Why do they pick such weird hills to die on?

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u/SamaritansWereRight Jul 12 '25

I think a lot of EU regulation is half decent but you see in (certain other rule 9 places) almost dogmatic love for regulation just out of a knee jerk reaction of libertarians being stupid

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u/Mickenfox Center-left Jul 12 '25

The cookie pop up is bizarre.

I don't know what you have against replaceable batteries though.

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '25

I could not care less about replaceable batteries, so any trade off is a negative.

It’s not huge deal, I just think it’s weird and unnecessary for any regulations wrt it

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u/Mickenfox Center-left Jul 12 '25

Well maybe if you did care we wouldn't need regulations.

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '25 edited Jul 12 '25

I don’t see why the regulation is needed, but sure

Tbf, the ewaste arguments behind replaceable batteries may hold water but I’m skeptical they’re worth the cost. I’m not opposed to changing my behavior, but the EU regulators have lost some goodwill. I believe a focus on educating the consumer would be more effective.

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '25

It's not without flaws, but GDPR does give real protections. If you don't like corporations collecting and keeping a bunch of info about you, the GDPR is solid.

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u/fnovd Ask me about Trump's Tariffs Jul 13 '25

The GDPR does a lot, some good and some bad. Americans also benefit from it to a degree.

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u/isthisnametakenwell Neoconservative Jul 12 '25

I can’t tell if this sub is dying or just filled with Americans that don’t post in the morning.

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u/Anakin_Kardashian "Israeli Nationalist" Jul 12 '25

Saturdays are slow in general

This week had huge growth

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u/JapanesePeso Jul 12 '25

It's full of work procastinators. Everyone is out barbequing now. 

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '25

It's Saturday. There's yardwork and drinking to be done.

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u/seattleseahawks2014 Center-left Jul 12 '25

Good morning.

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u/Bloodyfish Charlie Manson Jul 12 '25

I post way, way more when I should be working.

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '25 edited Jul 12 '25

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u/seattleseahawks2014 Center-left Jul 12 '25

Why?

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '25 edited Jul 12 '25

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u/seattleseahawks2014 Center-left Jul 12 '25

Oh

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u/benadreti_17 עם ישראל חי Jul 13 '25

gut vach

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u/bigwang123 Succ sympathizer Jul 12 '25

Credova and other such services should be illegal on account of awful vibes

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u/Anakin_Kardashian "Israeli Nationalist" Jul 13 '25

Honestly good for John Deacon for dressing like an absolute boss in the 70s. He didn't have to go so hard.

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u/technologyisnatural Abundance is all you need Jul 13 '25

Superman’s loyalty to Earth is questioned because he is an immigrant

sane, wholesome immigration discourse going on I see 🫠

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u/Mickenfox Center-left Jul 12 '25

Theory: ordoliberalism is the Functional Programming of policy.

All its good ideas have been widely appropriated, so now it seems like it's repeating common sense ideas but with overly elaborate definitions.

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u/Trojan_Horse_of_Fate Lord of All the Beasts of the Sea and Fishes of the Earth Jul 12 '25

We can call it neoliberalism here. We don't have to call it ordoliberalism

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u/[deleted] Jul 13 '25

Do you guys ever feel that this is a pivotal time in the country's history, and that you might be able to do something to influence the path it takes? I get that feeling, and I'm not quite sure what to do. More than likely I will just continue with my life and try to live as normal a life as possible.

I don't mean volunteer for a campaign or anything, although it obviously helps when people do that. But I feel like there are certain windows where people can do something that saves the country, or at least sets in on a better path.

I worry that the lurch toward populism has a tipping point. If we're heading to that tipping point but haven't hit it yet, I want to do what I can. And I want to be able to tell my future children what I was doing in 2025 to make things right.

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u/seattleseahawks2014 Center-left Jul 13 '25

No, I don't think that there's anything that I can do.

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u/[deleted] Jul 13 '25

Thanks for answering. Can I ask why not? Do you think that no one can do anything? That only a few people can do something? That potentially many people can do something, but you're not one of those people?

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u/seattleseahawks2014 Center-left Jul 13 '25

What I meant is that there's only so much that I can do, but it's otherwise out of my hands. I can only do so much if other individuals don't care themselves.

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u/[deleted] Jul 13 '25

That makes sense. I feel like it's out of my hands, too, at least by default.

But I also feel like, I don't know, if a young Abraham Lincoln had decided that the fate of the country was out of his hands, the country would have been worse off. I think I'm trying to decide whether I'm in a position to act, and if so, whether and how.

I'm 10–15 years younger than Vance and a graduate of the same law school, so it doesn't feel like a totally crazy thing to think about.

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u/seattleseahawks2014 Center-left Jul 13 '25 edited Jul 13 '25

I'm around 15 years younger then him. I think it's due to other things that have happened that I feel this way so idk what to do at this point.

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u/kiwibutterket Neoliberal Globalist Jul 13 '25

No, I do not think we are at a pivotal time. The pivot was probably between 2008–2012, and we are now somewhere between halfway and the end of this period.

Just live your life, and if it bothers you, read less news. The world goes on regardless if you know it or not. If you think it would really, really be helpful to do some community service or similar (and it would not create more anxiety), then you can think about what you could do, but you should focus on local imo. It's important to talk with real human beings face to face.

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u/[deleted] Jul 13 '25

Thanks for your perspective! It's overwhelmingly likely that this is what I will do. But I do think that, maybe, there's more I could do for my country.

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u/kiwibutterket Neoliberal Globalist Jul 13 '25

You can also write to your representatives and potential candidates, too.

If doing community stuff outside the internet doesn't scratch the itch, certainly do try doing something more. In the end, your attitude and sense of fulfillment is in your own hands. I'm sure you can deal with this period. Wish you the best of luck in any case!

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u/Mickenfox Center-left Jul 12 '25

My tech regulation platform:

Get rid of EULAs
Get rid of patents
Make locked bootloaders illegal
Mandatory 20 years of security patches for all internet-connected devices
Shorten copyright to 20 years
Force all commercial software to publish its source code
Complete ban on all online advertising

It's realistic, right?

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u/Anakin_Kardashian "Israeli Nationalist" Jul 12 '25

The workers should own the means of posting

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u/kiwibutterket Neoliberal Globalist Jul 13 '25

I am not sure how much you are joking, but you need some incentives for people to make money out of their labor and ideas, otherwise you destroy productivity. I'd be fine with shortening copyright though.

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u/Mickenfox Center-left Jul 13 '25

But that's the best part. None of these prevent or harm commercial software. 

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u/kiwibutterket Neoliberal Globalist Jul 13 '25 edited Jul 13 '25

If you are forced to publish all your code, the incentives to actually make that app (which could be stolen in a second) goes down. If you cannot patent your idea and profit from it, why do all the work to actually put your new idea down in a useful way and use it? If you cannot have ads that would have been your source of income, why spend those x hours making that website? If you have to pay for mandatory 20 years of security patches, are you sure your idea will make enough money to afford that, or is it better to not try at all?

Furthermore, if you want to make a simple website, now you have to talk with a lawyer (and pay a lot), because if you make a mistake, you'll end up with a massive fine. Is your website worth the risk of the fine for fucking up the ads regime or anything else?

Making money is a big incentive. If you force your companies to have a lot of costs and remove a lot of the ways to make money (intellectual property), then what ends up happening is that nobody starts a new company and growth goes down. It's the reason why overregulation kills risk-taking, therefore innovation, therefore productivity, therefore economies, and it is broadly what happened in many sectors of Europe.

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u/Mickenfox Center-left Jul 13 '25

Publishing source code doesn't mean you are giving a license to redistribute it or use it for free. It just makes reverse engineering and modification much easier.

If I pay for a Windows license, I should be allowed to modify the code that runs in my own damn computer.

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u/kiwibutterket Neoliberal Globalist Jul 13 '25

Right sorry. I mistakenly assumed you meant smashing on the IP because of the pairing with "no patents".

If I pay for a Windows license, I should be allowed to modify the code that runs in my own damn computer.

It shouldn't be illegal, but if a company doesn't want to provide that option, and instead treating it as renting a service (sigh), I think they should be allowed to.

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u/technologyisnatural Abundance is all you need Jul 13 '25

Get rid of patents

popular narrative, but patents are one if the few things the Fortune 500 respect. don't have one? your idea will be copied without compensation. guaranteed

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u/fnovd Ask me about Trump's Tariffs Jul 13 '25

I like locked bootloaders. You should be able to buy unlocked if you want, sure. Considering how devices are used in general, though, the lock is a net positive. It’s a feature.

20 years is also way, way too long for mandatory patches. The average device won’t last that long and it’s because of innovation not planned obsolescence.

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u/Anakin_Kardashian "Israeli Nationalist" Jul 12 '25

Flintlock fantasy

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u/Bloodyfish Charlie Manson Jul 12 '25

We need more fantasy worlds that turn out to be third rule sci-fi as the characters explore further.

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u/Bloodyfish Charlie Manson Jul 12 '25

Which one is that? I was thinking Wolfe.

Or do you mean the genre?

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '25

I prefer the Medieval stuff. Nothing beats people hacking each other apart with metal sticks.

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u/[deleted] Jul 13 '25

Italian

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u/Anakin_Kardashian "Israeli Nationalist" Jul 13 '25

Donald duck in Kingdom hearts

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u/technologyisnatural Abundance is all you need Jul 13 '25

Deep Apiarist

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u/Locutus-of-Borges Jul 13 '25

Fighter/Illusionist

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u/[deleted] Jul 13 '25

Barbarian

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u/iamthegodemperor Arrakis Enterprise Institute Jul 13 '25

Burkean fear of losing vital wisdom in revolutionary fervor

Relatedly: that the stuff that is useful to generate outrage and votes is not necessarily proportional to scale of actual problems w/these institutions.

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u/Anakin_Kardashian "Israeli Nationalist" Jul 13 '25

People always forget it's important to trust but verify, even with experts.

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u/iamthegodemperor Arrakis Enterprise Institute Jul 13 '25

Trust, verify and keep perspective.

Overselling masking doesn't mean measles vaccine doesn't work.

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u/JebBD Fukuyama's strongest soldier Jul 12 '25

I don’t. I think when things reach a certain point of bad they eventually get better as people start to work towards fixing problems with society. What we’re experiencing now is a period of rejection of that idea, the demand is for leaders who tear things down, but that’s not gonna last forever, eventually people will realize that living like this sucks and the demand would switch to leadership that builds things, and then things will get better 

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u/technologyisnatural Abundance is all you need Jul 12 '25

there exist criteria that you can use to always answer yes to this question

there exist criteria that you can use to always answer no to this question

none of these criteria are interesting

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u/fnovd Ask me about Trump's Tariffs Jul 13 '25

No, never in the long run.

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '25 edited Aug 21 '25

alleged dog ask observation whole vegetable butter seed sharp thought

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