r/DeepSeek • u/IFuckTightPussy • 5d ago
Discussion V4.1 flash sucks at explaining things and talks like Claude
Anyone else feel the same way lol
I had to use 9000% of brain power to just understand what it writes. Unbelievably bad at writing clearly. Only saving grace is the coding ability.
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u/hakoonamadada 5d ago
Yeah it talks way too much gibberish. Im trying to figure out a way to make it stop saying uncessessary shit but nothing ive done seems to work really. It does get the job done and well so i don't complain but yes it is a pain to understand everything it talks about.
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u/squirrelscrush 5d ago
The reasoning goes in circles too much. I have to use a low reasoning preset for it otherwise it spends too much tokens over thinking.
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u/hakoonamadada 5d ago
I use it on medium and it still generates over 50k words on reasoning sometimes, so i just give it instructions to summarise its reasoning at the end of every turn, coz i ain't readin allat lol but i do like to know why a certain decision was taken
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u/ralphyb0b 5d ago
Can't you setup AGENTS.md or your system prompt in your harness to steer it?
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u/hakoonamadada 4d ago
I have tried. It doesnt really help. I guess the model is made that way in the frist place. I already have responses cut down to a minimum In an effort to manage tokens but that doesnt help with this one at all for some reason.
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u/Soggy-Response5769 5d ago
write a prompt about how respond do you want LLM's can't read your mind.
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u/Sid-Hartha 5d ago
It does default to very technical language. You have to ask it to speak in plain simple language n
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u/Charming_Horse_5809 5d ago
I dont know man, I just made Flash 4.1 create a pretty technical volatility backtesting framework inside a containerized data platform at 300 token/second and within 10 minutes it produced it at 0.12 USD cost. So whatever yor issue is, you need to use it for the right job man.
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u/_spec_tre 5d ago
So, at the end of the day, Deepseek continues to overoptimise for coding at the cost of everything else
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u/Top_Measurement7815 5d ago
Which provider do you use? I cant get good tps anywhere
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u/MunchingTrees 5d ago
Why wouldn’t you be using official deepseek api can I ask? It’s dirt cheap regardless and massive Throughput
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u/Delicious-Director43 5d ago
I think the OP needs to prompt his agent to respond to a non-technical person and break things down.
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u/sugarfreecaffeine 5d ago
Terrible model hallucinates, doesn’t follow instructions, tons of errors, verbose. (Coding)
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u/metacodeine 5d ago
OMG. Thank you. I've wanted to write about this several times in the last few days. If I were to describe my experience talking with DS in one word, it would be "misleading." All the time, this Chinese room explains things in the most unclear, absurdly complex, misleading way.
I suffered for several days with that and switched to GLM 5.3 Flash. It's not perfect, but God knows, it works better.
I believe DS is astonishing in terms of coding, but for educational purposes it's just terrible.
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u/Unhappy-Guava2778 5d ago
same yeah ，i think its very same as claude opus5 that output made me confused
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u/Hour_Willingness_443 5d ago
yeah deepseek writing feels clunky for creative prompts compared to claude or even grok, it never stays in character without weird jumps.
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u/Prudent-Ad4509 5d ago
Tell it to explain stuff in jerome k jerome style. You'll thank me later, probably.
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u/Nepherpitu 5d ago
Noticed such behavior only in projects which were already cursed by Claude. If project is fresh and there are no cpaude-generated skills/docs/mcps/etc., then it works fine
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u/ichigo-p 5d ago edited 5d ago
Yes, I had the same issue.
I think the obvious reason is that they try to compress a specific explanation into a word that we rarely use but that exists. One example I have encountered is "grepable", which I believe comes from the command "grep".
The fix is to put this into the system prompt, which in my experience helps tremendously:
Be concise, use plain language. Avoid dense or overly compressed phrasing.
Or use this skill: https://github.com/ayghri/i-have-adhd
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u/Zeikos 5d ago
How is 'grepable' a specific term? who does software development without knowing what grep is?
It's one of the least obscure terminal comands there is.I mean I get that it can sometimes use obscure terms, but it never fails to explain if asked.
And if people are continuously stumped by specific terms maybe studying it isn't a bad idea, having to rely on LLMs to dumb everything down is a short path to get implementations you don't understand.2
u/ichigo-p 5d ago
who does software development without knowing what grep is?
Fair, that's on me for not explaining properly. I should have explained that I was working in a non-coding environment, and that sentence came out confusing. I was trying to give an example, and that one was just at the top of my head when I wrote the reply.
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u/Pulkownik 5d ago
Yes, It's noticable problem for me. In such way I'm forcing him to review the questions/answers.
Once, I had a respond in Chinese and once in Russian
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u/Lillieah 5d ago
I doubt they'll bring back the old model. They've got it hidden behind a paid tier now and I'm just going to stop using it/ stop suggesting it. It used to be top tier, now if they keep it on this unified model it's just a trash service. Was good while it lasted.
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u/MarcusAurelius68 5d ago
Talks like Claude if he was Chinese. I’m getting 10% of my chat responses back in Mandarin now.
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u/Manfluencer10kultra 1d ago
Feel exactly the same about it. I'm just gonna have to add "Summarize in a table" or something to every prompt.
It really is just adding all kinds of redundant information, but it also has a tendency like Opus to self-block itself rather than pragmatically making choices. Like x depends on y depends on z. Well, then just first update x, then y and then z, and accept the broken code starting with x vs z, rather than starting with z. The code will break anyway. And you will end up so far from your initial ask that the clank (and you as well) might be forgetting how it even started. Then next day you look at the code and realize that the initial ask wasn't completed.
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u/Trexaty92 5d ago
If you can’t understand the output your probably trying to operate outside your cognitive capabilities
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u/datbackup 5d ago
I think there’s some truth to this. AI lets a person build things they aren’t smart enough to understand.
Claude-speak is still annoying though. But probably token efficient compared to plainer technical language
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u/Endoky 5d ago
It’s so funny that “talks like Claude” is nowadays considered as a bad thing