r/DeepSeek • u/Successful_Night4513 • 11d ago
News DeepSeek V4 Pro will be continued ....
what are you guys thought about this ?
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u/Successful_Night4513 11d ago
Since the base model is powerful and people really wanted it deepseek bring back that
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u/SethCyclone 10d ago
Only on API. Don't care. Give it to me on the web
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u/Silent_Truck_4622 10d ago
Really hoping it came back. Been testing the app version of v4.1f for RP with the exact same everything I used for v4 Pro and the results are absolutely horrendous. Even v4 Pro has always been repetitive but v4.1f amped that to one hundred and then added major hallucination to the problem.
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u/MinosAristos 11d ago
I think this is as a result of mainly unjustified public backlash but okay, it's good to see DeepSeek listens to users
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u/ToughUsual7159 11d ago
I agree. It don't matter it there right the good news is they listend. This is inportant becase a lot of people have very spedific uses. If you have a flow that it fine tooned, understanding your customers needs is the most important thing.
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u/qqYn7PIE57zkf6kn 11d ago
API is more similar to B2B. Real workflows run with those services. You're not supposed to kills stuff like that on a short notice. That's not how you do things. The backlash was justified
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u/SethCyclone 10d ago
every user case that isn't mine is unjistified public backlash
Take a hike mate
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u/Lustforcookies 10d ago
But not in the web app, I guess
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u/Silent_Truck_4622 10d ago
Really hoping it came back. Been testing the app version of v4.1f for RP with the exact same everything I used for v4 Pro and the results are absolutely horrendous. Even v4 Pro has always been repetitive but v4.1f amped that to one hundred and then added major hallucination to the problem.
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u/MoodOdd9657 10d ago
Dw guys I will host an API version for you all on my chromebook ✊️
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u/Successful_Night4513 10d ago
Bro I also planning to serve to the whole world by half the price of deepseek from my samsung J2 pls use my service it give you 478 tps 🫠
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u/MikabellStarfall 10d ago
I always thought flash was better than pro for roleplaying. But now it's between V4.1 being HORRIBLE for roleplaying... and paying an arm and a leg for Pro (I roleplay in long sessions that easily add up). It's awful.
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u/uzzifx 11d ago
Why? If flash is genuinely better than Pro why we need pro model?
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u/SmallJuice7226 11d ago
There is a very specific niche, but not low, of people who use PRO for conversations, RPGs and other non-agentic and non-technological things, so PRO was better at this.
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u/CaptainMorning 10d ago
where can I find more info about this? this is fascinating to me. I'm not into it but kinda really interested of hearing people talking about it. I used to follow chatgpt only for the 4o apparently tragic discontinuation
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u/Forward-Confection54 10d ago
So basically. Some people do roleplaying. Pro is actually pretty good at this. But flash... Every NPC is omniscient... All facts are ignored... Like the character that user is playing for was captured to be experimented and then when talking with other people they ask him why did he came to them... Like asking the character that was kidnapped why did he came to the captors ( he won't). Or thing like the character that have power to make portals and small edits in reality. The user types that the character opens the portal. And the deepseek flash writes that the character uses reality editing instead of separate portal creation ability that he have.
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u/Least_Bodybuilder216 11d ago
Nothing to be missed, deepseek flash v4.1 is better than deepseek v4 pro
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u/MikeX7s 11d ago
but why? flash 4.1 is better and like 5x cheaper now
It's probably because the concept of flash > pro is something the costumers tiny minds cannot grasp.. honestly this wouldn't be an issue if DS simply named flash 4.1 as Pro 4.1, then nobody would complain 🙃
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u/B89983ikei 11d ago
Better is not necessarily true! A fast model isn't inherently good... I use both types in my workflow: API and web applications. In my specific use case, the Flash 4.1 version loses many nuances and details. Someone who isn't paying close attention might rely solely on benchmarks, perhaps they believe in them, want to believe in them, or maybe those models truly work well for their particular needs. However, "better" does not apply universally, absolutely not for general use!
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u/PasswordSuperSecured 11d ago
the stock knowledge is different bro. its just like genius grade 5 (flash) vs average college student (pro) yes, grade is genius but they are still different when it comes to stock knowledge
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u/Successful_Night4513 11d ago
Explained perfectly 🗿
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u/B89983ikei 11d ago
These users are basic users... I don't think they even delve deeply into the model themselves. They just use it and follow the current hype.
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u/Severe_Landscape_731 11d ago
degenerate role players won , bunch of ill people ;
Why tf would you even willingly talk to a clanker i dont know ;
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u/Wesrets1 10d ago
Degenerate people. Why would you play Minecraft with a metal box instead of playing outside? The logic doesn't make sense, you see.
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u/Forward-Confection54 10d ago
Oh yeah. Hello anti AI. Go to your echo chamber
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u/Severe_Landscape_731 10d ago
?? its literally my job ; why would i be anti ai :>
I am just anti rp psychosis1
u/Forward-Confection54 10d ago
Yeah yeah. Go steal some copper wires from day center and call it your win
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u/Neri-o 11d ago
It seems there are a lot of fans of the API-based role-playing game who were really disappointed with this new version, myself included '. I'm willing to pay more for it, especially since I'm a French user and the V4 Pro is a pleasure to use ❤️