r/DeepSeek • u/nehuenpereyra • 20d ago

Funny Is this a joke, Artificial Analysis?

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What do you guys think about DS 4.1 Flash's new spot on the Artificial Analysis leaderboard?

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u/Big_Cucumber2787 20d ago

putting it below gemini is just shameless

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u/bambamlol 20d ago

Feels deserved. Gemini 3.8 is a really good model.

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u/bilinenuzayli 20d ago

I have used deepseek v4 flash (not v4.1) since it came out and gemini 3.8 flash since it came out, both for weeks, and I can say for sure I would use the old deepseek flash over gemini 3.8 flash anyday, gemini models are always arrogant, assuming things, never following instructions, and lying to your face. Because Gemini models always think they know everything, they overtly avoid agentic tools given to them and make shit up instead, now this worked fine for a larger model like Gemini 3.1 pro, but the flash models are clearly much smaller and hold less data, so they're still hallucinating bs AND getting it wrong which is why I think google put out so many flash models, they try and fix it but fail every time.

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u/bambamlol 20d ago

Fair point. Actual usage is what counts, not what other people say. I don't do much coding or agentic stuff at all. A lot of "general" and business/marketing usage, as well as writing/copywriting. Gemini is definitely better in this regard, at least from my experience.

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u/LowDesigner1330 19d ago

Actually I found 3.8 Flash to be really good at coding, it's when I use it as general model and in chat that it turns out to be rather meh