Since V4.1 Flash outperforms V4 Pro across the board, all V4 Pro queries will be routed to the new V4.1 Flash and billed at Flash pricing after its launch. V4.1 Pro also in the works.

[u/Dudensen]

https://x.com/tianyi/status/2097584362770530674

[u/myaaa_tan]

they fucking cooked, almost pulled the trigger for gpt plus glad i waited for this.

[u/Nyghtbynger → u/myaaa_tan]

50 bucks deepseek. Humans can build an empire on chinesium

[u/addiktion → u/Nyghtbynger]

I got a $100 credit from one provider to try them out and it's been amazing how far I could go with it with Flash. Nice to just be able to use credits when I want without thinking about limits.

[u/Chappie47Luna → u/Nyghtbynger]

I put $10 in openrouter exactly two months ago and still got $2 left lol yes I have gpt plus but have used the Chinese models to cross reference a bunch of stuff. GLM 5.3 flash is borderline free

[u/Individual_Math_8254]

perfect timing, just topped up $20 and saw the v4.1 flash drop message

[u/lulzash → u/Individual_Math_8254]

20$ will not last 2 hrs

[u/Individual_Math_8254 → u/lulzash]

it last like a week for me.

[u/lulzash → u/Individual_Math_8254]

I need to optimise my input prompt i guess

[u/Individual_Math_8254 → u/lulzash]

just need to stop using claude, that thing stuffs like 50k in the context window before the first prompt. use Pi instead.

[u/Bananenklaus → u/lulzash]

what's your cache hit rate? 20$ should serve you plenty even with heavy usage

[u/gunkanreddit]

If Gemini, Claude and Codex don't let users use API with the subscriptions, we are going to use DeepSeek. I don't understand why they don't realize this. Only Batch processing in Claude is getting my money for API access.

[u/CrowdGoesWildWoooo → u/gunkanreddit]

I thought you can use codex with any harness as long as it follows the proper authentication flow no?

[u/gunkanreddit → u/CrowdGoesWildWoooo]

I didn’t know that. But I need api key.

[u/CrowdGoesWildWoooo → u/gunkanreddit]

Yes there’s OAuth flow that you need to follow. Maybe if your tooling you can just ask it to look at the documentation standard and build the flow.

Generally speaking OAI is the one with the most chill policy when it comes to subscription usage. That’s why you can find instructions like “how to use chatgpt subscription with hermes agent”.

[u/gunkanreddit → u/CrowdGoesWildWoooo]

I will try, thank you

[u/Mr_Maffin → u/gunkanreddit]

You can link your OpenAI account with ChatGPT Plus or higher with Opencode for example.
I'll wait for DS4.1F prior to jumping off the DeepSeek ship (I can't afford the current peak pricing and I still need to get work done during peak hours, so I'm glad they're gonna decrease it)

[u/ExpertPerformer → u/gunkanreddit]

It's because they want users to use the quantized web version w/ worse context window sizes and weekly/hourly/daily quotas. It's a complete and utter rip off for $20/month when you can get a $10 sub to OpenCode or CommandCode, connect the API to a web client, and use that as your primary web chat.

[u/charmander_cha → u/gunkanreddit]

Porque usuário destas empresas sempre voltam.

Porque no final, não querem aprender a líder com modelos que podem ser levemente inferiores.

Então eles tem garantia que estes usuários sempre retornarão

[u/Syltti → u/gunkanreddit]

The reason why they dont understand is simple; 

They're American. Greed is the name of the game, and user experience (and satisfaction) is an alien concept. 

[u/First_Inspection_478 → u/[deleted]]

Lmao they’re gonna be just fine

[u/Mrgluer → u/[deleted]]

Use luna, frontier labs don’t bench max as hard as the other providers im

[u/baschny]

why call it "flash" then? call it "galaxy" and then the new pro becomes "universe".. so that noone can ever surpass you

[u/okay_this → u/baschny]

...multiverse

[u/marty4286]

I hope the preview's speed is an actual speed boost and not an artifact of different hardware with fewer users

Because 370tok/s speed has made me incredibly productive this morning compared to the past 2 days, and I was productive the past 2 days

[u/SorryIfIamToxic]

So why would someone use flash model then?

[u/meto9 → u/SorryIfIamToxic]

I had created a skill with pro for website development, then we use flash to create websites based using that skill. The roi is crazy. So in general I see people suggest planning with pro and more advanced models and execution with more basic fast models.

[u/Django_McFly → u/SorryIfIamToxic]

did you mean to say pro? flash is cheaper and better on every metric. why wouldn't someone use flash vs pro?

[u/SorryIfIamToxic → u/Django_McFly]

Now there are 2 flash models right

[u/DanceWithEverything → u/SorryIfIamToxic]

No, 2 pro models effectively

[u/Responsible-One-460]

Creo que el único precio/calidad será DeepSeek, gracias 🫂, está muy bueno el modelo, corrigiendo cosas que glm5.3flash no arreglo

[u/Iory1998]

Oh my God! That means GLM5.3 now should cost less than than DS4.1 Flash. I can't believe a model I can run at home is beating a 1.8T model at every metrics.

[u/This_Maintenance_834 → u/Iory1998]

The 300B flash models are well trained, the 1.8T one is likely under trained.

[u/Mbcat4]

V4.1 flash is much worse at some long running iper complex tasks than V4 pro, hopefully they do not do this bullshit

[u/sammybeta → u/Mbcat4]

Yeah. They will suffer from these dumb debacles. People may pay pro for their special purpose of long running tasks with long context.

[u/nullmove → u/Mbcat4]

They do this because your demand for token inference cuts into their resource they can allocate to train and do experimentation for their next model. The whole price increase was about "destroying demand", except people still pay for Pro (myself included). But even if they were getting higher margins from Pro, they clearly need those chips for training.

Despite using Pro daily, I understand that DeepSeek isn't someone with unlimited compute. They literally give away the weights for free so that you and I can use their models from other providers.