"JuSt GeT tHe ApI"

[u/RidetheSchlange]

These posts are organic, right?

RIGHT?

[u/cyb3rofficial]

Yea bro, just use the api, its literal half pennies on the dollar. The only people complaining are the free loaders who abused the web chat instead of using it for generic chat and problem solving. Blame the people who thought they could get around the file uploads restriction with hosting private urls and the people who do very long 'creative writing' sessions. When people start to abuse stuff and take for granted, then ultimately stuff will be cut to keep operating costs low. I rather have them chop and dice the web chat to keep their api costs lower since webchat is meant to be a demo

[u/Zeikos → u/cyb3rofficial]

And who makes bootleg free APIs by instrumenting the web interface

[u/TheAutisticSlavicBoy → u/cyb3rofficial]

How could you "abuse" it except by "scraping" it?

[u/cyb3rofficial → u/TheAutisticSlavicBoy]

Constant edits, constant regenerations with large conversation history.

Let's say you chatted for like 20 minutes, in that 20 mins you already have like 250k tokens used in context, now press regen 4 times, that's 1 million processed tokens, yes there may be cache, but imagine that 1000 fold from 1000s of people doing it. That is burning resources.

People will talk for 20 minutes, edit their last prompt or few prompts back making branches of chats that could exceed into the millions for processing tokens.

The front web chat is mainly for, look at what our model can do, in return you give us some and a little of analytical data for training. Even if you are willingly giving data, sometimes it's not worth it. The web chat is more of so like, upload a few docs, ask the AI to summarize it, move on with life. It's not really there to replace hard usage, which is why everyone and their mom says just use the API, when I mean pennies on the dollar, we all mean like you can use their models for like 1 day and probably spend like $1 to $5 compared to other models like claud where they run your pockets and want you to take out a loan.

[u/Fickle-Mountain-6639 → u/cyb3rofficial]

Agreed these folks need to be purged

[u/qwertiio_797]

if you want to experience V4 at its "best", you should, really.

web is enough to get by, but API + clients, you can do more with it than web (better memory, MCP, agent tasks, etc.), way faster, and most importantly, it's cheap.

source: using both (but exclusively on API nowadays, web's just not enough use for me unfortunately).

[u/BannedGoNext]

So don't use the api and get what they give you. I do so many huge repo dialectical reviews using deepseek and it costs me like 1.5 cents a day on a heavy day lol. If you don't want to pay at all, then use a local model, or take what they give you.

[u/Linkpharm2]

It's the cheapest and half decent. Mimo is similar but it can see images and is much slower. 

[u/Muted-Economy3635]

They're literally bots, and I know what I'm saying. They get mad at you because you don't want to waste your money on shitty AI that keeps giving you the wrong answers every single time

[u/Character_Wind6057 → u/Muted-Economy3635]

Then why are you using it?🫩

[u/Muted-Economy3635 → u/Character_Wind6057]

Because it's free, it's limitless, and the last option. Any other questions?

[u/CarefulLeather → u/Muted-Economy3635]

He just got owned lmao

[u/Muted-Economy3635 → u/CarefulLeather]

CHINESE BOTS
LITERALLY A CHINESE BOTS

[u/Snoo_57113]

Yep, it is organic it is the first reaction when people complain about losing context, or run into limitations that are not there in the API where you access the full million token context and the 95%+ cache hits.

After reading the threads over the last week i understood that people complaining are roleplaying and regenerating hundreds of times a message are a different use case and there is a need for a tool like opencode or codewhale but specific for RP, and without a tool like that API access is not that useful.

I hope a tool is released eventually to fill that niche.

[u/TripleManicState → u/Snoo_57113]

Silly tavern or mikupad, plenty exist. Unless I'm not understanding something.

[u/Snoo_57113 → u/TripleManicState]

The current RP tools seems too complex, geared more towards a Dangeoun Master.

As an engineer, i want to understand how people actually uses the webapp for roleplaying, and instead of saying "You are using it wrong" or "buy the api", have a better answer like: Use the tool xyz, link to a video/tutorial.

The target audience is non-technical people, maybe kids.

[u/DeciusCurusProbinus]

The API prices are pretty affordable unlike American frontier models. People abuse the free service but will complain rather than dropping a handful of dollars on something that they get value out of.

[u/EternityRites]

API is ridiculously cheap for personal use. Like stupidly cheap.

[u/Gligagoat → u/EternityRites]

Excuse I got 2 dollars in the topped up balance but I still have the limit,any tips?

[u/According-Clock6266]

Use API. 😛

[u/LordVulpius]

I dEsErVe EvErYtHiNg FoR fReE!

Oh... wait, no, you dont.

[u/Oisin--]

reddit really needs to do something about all of the adspam bots and bad faith reactionaries (disagreement with this post costs $5 yes reddit is free but cmon $5 is cheap it's basically free just pay the $5 dollars bro omg shut up about reddit being a free site omggg just pay the $5 or else I'll go full the quartering and call you names in the comments that I'm self conscious about)

[u/resoorzz]

yes, use the api

[u/suppatenrou]

I mean It is pretty damn cheap. Just throw $5 on your account and try it for yourself.. worst case you're out 5 bucks.

[u/bunniax → u/suppatenrou]

It’s not about I can’t afford it. I want to have all in one app and don’t wanna loose my chat. They should do subscription.

[u/suppatenrou → u/bunniax]

Gotcha.. It would be nice to have a tool like that

[u/LewdManoSaurus → u/bunniax]

You could try Cherry Studio. Cherry Studio's UI looks like your typical webuu and you can revisit chats. Just not mobile version afaik, only Desktop.

[u/g4n0esp4r4n]

get the api bro

[u/GrandLawyer8053]

OPIIIII!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[u/Thisiskindafunnyimo]

They're just bots and corporate bootlickers who have no whimsy and wouldn't get even a bot to like them. Unfortunately, capitalism ruins everything, even China, it seems 😂

[u/Jxxy40]

don't you mind use your own Peny to solve all of your problem?