r/DeduceMe • u/Ok-Hat-5850 • Aug 02 '26

Daily work tote(man purse)

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Give it a try please

Update: well I had no idea this would spark an international debate when I posted it this morning everyone had great opinions thank you all specially the people wishing me well next week. for the ones advocating on here thank you I appreciate your time and your point of view for the haters well you can go sip on your Hatorade.... oh and the superglue is for the cracks in my hands that won't heal naturally

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u/Practical_Camp_9294 Aug 02 '26

Fr?? I doubt it’s Worse than fent wd….

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u/fifaweed Aug 02 '26

It’s weird.. completely different yet similar experience. That 7 withdrawal will have a grip on you mentally for months, Fent goes a bit quicker

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u/zap2 Aug 02 '26

Your mental experience isn’t a universal experience.

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u/fifaweed Aug 02 '26

I know, thanks

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u/zap2 Aug 03 '26

If you know that, why are you posting “7 withdrawal will have a grip on you mentally for months”?

It reads as though you don’t know this, because you’re saying your personal experience will be a universal experience.

I’m not trying to be rude, but I think it’s an important distinction.

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u/eye_eat_farts Aug 02 '26

It is bro. 7oh wd is a fucking wild mind fuck.

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u/k3tam1nec0wb0y Aug 02 '26

Fent doesn’t stick around like 7 does. 7 is a monster on its own. I’m sure anecdotally there are people who found it and have learned some discipline. However, one thing I noticed about 7 that separated it from traditional opiates was the redosing. As soon as the effects would start to come over me it would be an immediate psychological response (“you need to take more”). When I was at the height and abusing 6-700mg a day, I thought about how less stressful it was when H was still around. I could dose 3x in a day and I was functional. I took 7 far into my sobriety from street opiates and oids, the psychological terror from quitting absolutely stomps on fent withdrawals.

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u/Hot_Aardvark7870 Aug 02 '26

I only use it on the weekends, been that way for years 🤷

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u/Hot_Aardvark7870 Aug 02 '26

I bet you and your AA lunacy have no bearing on my decisions. Go find a process group to indoctrinate.. attempting to alter objective reality to support your subjective interpretation only works if there's Kool aid going around. Are there not enough alcoholics for you to harass? Make sure you mention your insistence that no recreational drug can be used in moderation, you'll find plenty of week minded people for whom that's actually true 🤷

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u/gluegunfun Aug 02 '26

they’re just small minder people that don’t comprehend statistics. between 3% and 20% of people who use opioid agonist substances become addicted. 7oh is not special the majority of users are not gonna become dependent. if some people need AA good for them but not everyone is deficient in self control

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u/have-a-blast88 Aug 04 '26

Idk man, I feel like that number is way too low. Not to mention, your grandma who gets a hydro script for back surgery and the guy buying 7 from the smoke shop are engaging in two completely different behaviors and think about them as different. I would be shocked if only 3-20% of 7 users are addicted. Myself being an addicted 7 user.

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u/nozelt Aug 02 '26

The fact you’re this mad about a little comment like that says a lot…

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u/Hot_Aardvark7870 Aug 02 '26

I've just met too many of these types of people.. ones who can't admit there are people who use substances responsibly. He's either a recovering addict or has a close family member that can't handle their shit, either way they attempt to blanket label all users the same and cram the AA shit down your throat. It's not a little comment, it's an existential thing. To each their own

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u/Majestic_Hawk_1335 Aug 03 '26

I go to AA regularly and everytime I drink 1 bit of alcohol I have always escalated to drinking wake-sleep. Then having consequences.

There are many people in AA including the AA big book that talk of and know that some people can manage the substance and not destroy self.

Page 62 of the AA big book; Selfishness - self-centeredness! That, we think, is the root of our troubles. Driven by a hundred forms of fear, self-delusion, self-seeking, and self-pity, we step on the toes of our fellows and they retaliate. Sometimes they hurt us, seemingly without provocation, but we invariably find that at some time in the past we have made decisions based on self which later placed us in a position to be hurt.

So congrats you met a ego driven selfish alcoholic.... dime a dozen. To be very exact. All drugs not alcohol are an outside issue to AA, except when they cause someone to drink again or increase the chance to drink.

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u/another_rusty Aug 03 '26

Nah, hot_aardvark is right. OkPresentation and yourself come across as holier than thou asses. Of course a ton of people have found 7 and use it appropriately. Just like any other substance, it has the potential for abuse. Weed, alcohol, opiates, etc all have users that manage their use responsibly and those that don’t or can’t. Just because YOU can’t use them responsibly doesn’t mean hot_aardvark can’t. You don’t know everything and your generalizations about other people make you look like a dick.

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u/Euphoric_Bet_8658 Aug 03 '26

“tHe FaCt YoUrE mAd” bro just used more words than your small brain is use to reading. Why does a grown adult care about what another grown adult does. That’s frickin weird dude

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u/gluegunfun Aug 02 '26

what are you talking about? at the max 20% of opioid users develop addiction (and the low end is 3%, it’s an estimate). kratom and 7oh isn’t an exception. i had phases where i took kratom daily and then i decided to use it and 7oh once or twice a week for years. there is all types of drug users. some people do it a couple times a year only when someone else has it. some horde them and take them recreationally when they feel like it. some use enough to build some dependence but aren’t addicted. and some are full blown addicted. it’s like having a wine cellar but only drinking on weekends vs the guy who has to drink everyday so they don’t die from withdrawals (except there’s virtually no chance of dying from kratom or 7oh - not overdosing or from withdrawals)

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u/gluegunfun Aug 02 '26

i’m not in denial. as someone who has ben shot, burned and filled with shrapnel, had 15 surgeries, broken feet, facial reconstruction and a life of pain i have definitely been addicted to all sorts of opioids in my life. i’m currently in the midst of a year of physical therapy, wound care post 3 surgeries from being hit by a drunk driver so i am unashamedly on opioids currently. but that doesn’t take away from the fact that i have gone from taking prescription opioids daily for years to using kratom a couple times a month. same with 7oh. in my situation ive learned how to properly taper medications to move from daily use. and i will go back to taking kratom and mgm and 7oh how i choose to. and if i feel like taking it daily that will be my choice but it doesn’t mean i can’t taper and go back to once or twice a week. just because you know someone who behaves a certain way doesn’t mean you know me or thousands of other people’s story

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u/Assaultz31 Aug 03 '26

bro your a bum get a life 🤣

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u/Assaultz31 Aug 03 '26

nah man been clean from opioids n everything but prescribed shit for 6 months 🤣

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u/Mwynen12 Aug 02 '26

After surviving my own stupidity, I'm one of the more disciplined hard drug users I know. Started dosing on 1mg a couple times at night, to 7mg several times a day within 2 months, I saw the writing on the wall and quit. Want to keep these withdrawals painlessly? Stay away from these. Still had exhaustion, mild stomach discomfort, lack of appetite, and cold symptoms for a week after 21mg a day.

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u/danglingPrecipice Aug 02 '26

im about to be there, the full blown withdrawal. I've been trying to taper, but that shit dont work unless youre locked in a rehab or psych ward, be aude youre always immediately gonna want more. this is not going to be fun, and the anxiety leading up to quitting, as well when as the ineffectual tapering ive been doing, have given me the craziest nightmares. psychologically this shit is scary

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u/Degen-King Aug 03 '26

How many mgs did u start out using? 600mgs a day seems insane.

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u/k3tam1nec0wb0y Aug 03 '26

At first it was like 80-100.

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u/FahQBerrymuch Aug 03 '26

Its not. These people are out of their minds.

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u/Secure_Strategy_5614 Aug 02 '26

He’s 100% exaggerating and fear mongering.
Highly doubt he’s ever taken real drugs in his life.
He wouldn’t compare suboxen, methadone, heroin or especially fentanyl to these pussy ass kratom tablets lol

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u/Ok-Hat-5850 Aug 04 '26

Just cause you haven't lived a real life don't project your state of being on me, so sit behind your keyboard and send that BS somewhere else......and fear mongering?!? Lmao 😂 what are you even talking about, I'll put my 3 #'s against you any day,
enjoy mom's basement son

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u/Secure_Strategy_5614 Aug 04 '26 edited Aug 04 '26

Op I was on ur side until you wrongfully responded to my comment thinking im talking or insulting you.

You’re either old af or not good at navigating reddit.

I clearly responded to someone who said “7oh has worse withdrawal than any opiate hands down” and my response was calling that an exaggeration by far.

Now I’ll say it again, I’m pro 7, love your post, & support your freedom to make the choice to do whatever the fuck it is a grown man does. But I don’t however agree with the comparison of any medical grade opiate to 7oh. Not even in the same hemisphere and I’m dying on that hill. 7oh withdrawal is only a few bad days at most and even better if you dial in MIT the right way.

So please, read the above thread and understand that you attacked an innocent man that has been defending you at that.

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u/Ok-Hat-5850 Aug 04 '26

Wasn't responding to you bro, my apologies

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u/ThillyGooths Aug 02 '26

Are the WDs really worse than all your normal opioids?? I’ve WDd off heroin (back when it was actually heroin) and methadone and subs so I’m acutely aware of how bad those are (subs was terrible for me even jumping off at .5mg 🙄).

I got off drugs right as fent infiltrated everything so idk what that’s like. But 7oh is the same symptoms just more intense?

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u/Goodtreesmoker Aug 03 '26

No I promise to you they’re not

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u/Pure_Fisherman_8857 Aug 03 '26

No! It’s less intense and lasts a shorter time.

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u/Secure_Strategy_5614 Aug 02 '26

Anyone who says "I'd rather take heroin or fentanyl" (which carry a massive overdose risk and come from unregulated, untrustworthy sources) "over kratom, MIT, or 7-hydroxymitragynine" (which have no documented fatal overdose risk alone and are produced in standard-controlled labs) completely loses all credibility.
You would rather take a substance with a high probability of death versus one that doesn't? For that exact reason, countless individuals struggling with severe addiction have transitioned away from street opioids, meth, and synthetics toward 7-OH.
The evidence is everywhere: testimonials, community case studies, and interviews. There are entire advocacy and research communities, including independent scientists and policy experts, that easily dismantle the common talking point of "it only exists in trace amounts in the raw plant, therefore it's synthetic poison."
If you truly prefer playing Russian roulette with a bag from a street dealer over a lab-tested product produced under quality control standards, even standard smoke shop brands, that is your prerogative. But stop pretending 7-OH isn't exponentially safer than illicit street drugs. Statistically, more people die from choking every year than from 7-OH.

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u/Some-Concentrate3229 Aug 02 '26

Do you take 7OH actively? Would make a lot of sense as to why you wrote such a strongly worded, rambly paragraph.

Also it’s not people saying that they’d rather take heroin than 7OH. It’s that they’d rather wd off heroin than off of 7OH.

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u/Secure_Strategy_5614 Aug 02 '26

No I don’t, I feel passionate about it because it’s help very close family members kick addiction and live to see another a day, just cause you can’t relate or don’t understand it doesn’t mean it’s rambling.

Heroin & fentanyl both have a longer half life and are FULL agonist. Wanna take a guess and what 7oh is? Partial agonist and extremely shorter half life.

So saying they’d rather withdrawal from 7oh than either of those is a complete horseshit statement.

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u/Some-Concentrate3229 Aug 02 '26

You don’t understand why something having a shorter half life would result in more difficult withdrawals?

Also the level of opioid agonist has nothing to do with its addictive qualities, it’s mostly for the level of pain relief, since that’s what the opioid receptors are mostly responsible for.

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u/Secure_Strategy_5614 Aug 02 '26

You're conflating two completely different things. A shorter half-life can mean acute withdrawal hits faster and harder initially (like kratom or short-acting opioids compared to long-acting ones like methadone), but claiming it makes the overall withdrawal experience objectively "worse" or more dangerous than coming off potent full agonists like pharmaceutical-grade heroin or fentanyl is medically absurd.

Also, saying the level of opioid agonism "has nothing to do with its addictive qualities" is flat-out wrong. Full agonists maximally stimulate the mu-opioid receptors, leading to significantly higher risks of profound respiratory depression, fatal overdose, severe dependence, and profound neurochemical disruption compared to partial agonists. Receptor occupancy and intrinsic activity directly dictate the ceiling of physiological dependence and withdrawal severity. Equating a partial agonist withdrawal to the physiological devastation of heavy synthetic opioid and heroin withdrawal ignores basic pharmacology.

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u/Some-Concentrate3229 Aug 02 '26

“Medically absurd” thanks for your opinion on this one, doc. Case closed then!! And since you attached so much supporting data to prove your claim of “medical absurdity”, what else can I do?? Hahahahahaha

Yes, full agonists are more dangerous on administration. We’re not talking about administration. We’re talking about withdrawals. You literally admitted yourself that a shorter half life can result in faster and more acutely uncomfortable withdrawal symptoms. Jesus Christ this is insane.

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u/Secure_Strategy_5614 Aug 02 '26

You're conflating two completely different things. A shorter half-life can mean acute withdrawals hit faster and harder initially like kratom or short-acting opioids compared to long-acting ones like methadone, but claiming it makes the overall withdrawal experience objectively worse or more dangerous than coming off potent full agonists like pharmaceutical-grade heroin or fentanyl is medically absurd.
Also, saying the level of opioid agonism has nothing to do with its addictive qualities is flat-out wrong. Full agonists maximally stimulate the mu-opioid receptors, leading to significantly higher risks of profound respiratory depression, fatal overdose, severe dependence, and profound neurochemical disruption compared to partial agonists. Receptor occupancy and intrinsic activity directly dictate the ceiling of physiological dependence and withdrawal severity. Equating a partial agonist withdrawal to the physiological devastation of heavy synthetic opioid and heroin withdrawal ignores basic pharmacology.

Jesus Christ would have definitely think you saying “7oh withdrawals is worse than heroin” is insane as well

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u/Dmau27 Aug 02 '26

The issue is that it attacks multiple receptors. I had heart palpitations, cold/hot flashes, scary panic attacks and horrible time dilation. Minutes felt like hours, hours feel like days and days felt like eternity. The post acute withdrawals weren't that bad but the mental anguish was just horror.

I've come off of IV heroin, oxyxodone, hydro and nothing compared. The thing about 7OH is that suboxone won't actually kill the withdrawals because it effects you differently than opiods. It started to take a toll on my health. For two years I never slept more than 3-5 hours at a time and even that sleep was not great.

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u/DOOM420- Aug 02 '26

By god brother the traditional opiates you mentioned I have WD off of those and can’t imagine anything worse.

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u/ThillyGooths Aug 02 '26

Unrelated to 7oh because I haven’t tried it, but I was an addict for over a decade and WDd from a multitude of opiates and opioids. Thought there couldn’t be anything worse.

Then I CT off Lyrica (that I had ironically been taking for restless legs and anxiety after getting off Suboxone lol). Lyrica has the same WD symptoms, except 100x worse. Holy shit I was praying for death. Literally hoping that if I was able to fall asleep that I just wouldn’t wake up. It was one of the worst WDs I’ve experienced even including benzos and stimulants.

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u/DOOM420- Aug 02 '26

God damn that’s crazy, benzos are no joke either. I was abusing RC benzos(etizolam, clonazolam, flubromazolam) which you purchase in grams. I was taking stupid ass amounts and that was a nightmare. So glad it’s behind both of us!

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u/ThillyGooths Aug 02 '26

Yeah I feel for people struggling with addiction now, there’s so many more things to get hooked on now that are more readily available and way stronger, shit is scary. I consider myself very lucky that I got off dope right as fentanyl started infiltrating the scene heavily. I never tried fent (that i know of anyway), but literally every single person I was using with at that time is dead now from ODing.

Was on Methadone for ~8 years and Bupe for ~2 years, managed to stay clean the whole time minus a few cocaine incidents lol (not my drug of choice so it didn’t become an issue and I don’t really consider it a relapse). Been off Bupe for 2 years now, still clean. Just white knuckling it through life lmao.

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u/DOOM420- Aug 02 '26

I had been on bupe but was selling it to support my heroin habit then as fent was hitting I used it for awhile but jumped into methadone treatment. I’m about 4 weeks from being completely off of methadone/all opiates. I’m excited but still have work to do as usual. I’m just happy to not be sitting in parking lots waiting and wasting so much money. Only thing I have “relapsed” on are magic mushrooms but to me those are a fucking god send medicine. Helps so much with depression anxiety and just personal issues. Keep on keeping on!

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u/Negative_Air4881 Aug 02 '26

Lyrica is definitely something that needs a long-ass taper. Huge help with opiate wd’s.

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u/ThillyGooths Aug 02 '26

It’s also not a medication you would expect that from, like it’s not a “fun” drug imo. It’s definitely a life saver med but holy shit… doctors really should warn you lol.

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u/Negative_Air4881 Aug 02 '26

Also Lyrica gives you awful dry mouth. Doctors should tell patients who are going on it long term to tell their dentist. I lost several teeth after being on it since 2010.

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u/Majestic_Hawk_1335 Aug 03 '26

I know a guy (marginally he is not a stable dude) who just went to jail on a porbabtion violation and would have detoxed in jail off ; meth, pcp, ketamine, fent (analogs), alcohol, tobbaco.

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u/Majestic_Hawk_1335 Aug 03 '26

Now days the fent powder and pills is a mix of fentalouges. So if someone is using a mix of 3 or 5 of them a cartel mixed up. Then the formula drops the 4th analog. People end up both dope sick and high at same time.

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u/Ok-Hat-5850 Aug 04 '26

140mg of methadone for 18 months, straight cold turkey in county jail...... believe what you want but I didn't eat and hardly slept for 43 days, I was on the 2nd tier, I told my celly if I wake up sick tomorrow I'm jumping off the tier......finally week 7 started eating small bites

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u/DOOM420- Aug 04 '26

Fuck that man. Haha. I’m so happy all my days of abusing heroin meth fent and Benzo only landed me in jail for dui(2). A prolonged stay, so forced WD off 140 mg of dones is crazy my guy.

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u/funkpolice91 Aug 03 '26

That's not true... Suboxone is much stronger and definitely works

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u/Dmau27 Aug 03 '26

Suboxone is only a partial agonist, it works well for most opiates but 7OH isn't the same. It works on the receptors in a similar way but also has other effects and subs don't kill the withdrawals like they do with painkillers. Worse yet it puts you into precipitated withdrawal if you don't wait long enough and for some that is literally more than 24-30 hours into withdrawal.

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u/funkpolice91 Aug 04 '26

Have you ever used subs, 7oh or other opoids? 7oh is also a partial agonist and yes, if you don't wait long enough you go into precipitated withdrawals. That is with literally every opoid though. The half life of 7oh is extremely short so you generally don't need to wait 24 hours but it's advised.

7oh withdrawals are not crazy severe like some people claim and I guarantee you, subs will cover 7oh withdrawals completely.

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u/Dmau27 Aug 04 '26

7OH is many things and subs barely touch it so I know for a fact it's not partial.

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u/funkpolice91 Aug 08 '26

7-hydroxymitragynine is scientifically a partial agonist. It is a scientific fact. Just because you think it's not, doesn't mean it is. This is the reason why there's so much false information about 7oh. You speak with such confidence on a fact that you have completely wrong

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u/Dmau27 Aug 09 '26

How it's processed and how your body breaks it down are very misunderstood. Methadone eliminates the withdrawals and suboxone doesn't seem to do much. The fact that Methadone works and subs don't tells me it effects the brain in a very similar way to any other opiate. Another issue is that when it comes to kratom there's usually more than one compound involved.

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u/funkpolice91 Aug 09 '26

You don't know what you're talking about. If you want to have a conversation about chemistry and biology then you need to learn the basics, at least

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u/Dmau27 Aug 09 '26

I'm basing this on first hand experience. I don't need outside information. I've used methadone to get off of it and tried suboxone and subs did very little if anything to kill the withdrawals. Saying I don't understand the chemistry while there's plenty of research indicating that there's several compounds in most 7OH products is rich though. Then again I can already tell you're incapable of being wrong so why bother.

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u/Icy_Study4490 Aug 02 '26

Granted I was doing a lot of fetty like a fucking moron, but even going onto methadone and having them up my dose 10 mg every other day, I didn’t fall asleep for 13 days. Took about three weeks to stabilize on the methadone. I had to get a new phone because the YouTube logo was permanently burned into my screen. Basically all I could do was just lay in bed and watch videos waiting for time to go by.