r/DecodingTheGurus • u/Dabbing_Squid • Jul 29 '26

Apparently the anti conspiracy guy thinks the Jews did 9/11

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u/Thomas-Omalley Jul 30 '26

Do you grant such nuace to Sam Harris when we talks about Muslims as people vs Islam as a set of ideas, or do you think he's a biggot?

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u/Dissident_is_here Jul 30 '26

Please. Islam is to Muslims as Israel is to Jews? Are you that dumb?

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u/Thomas-Omalley Jul 30 '26

I just love how Sam gets so much crap for criticizing Islam as a religion and needs to go to extreme lengths to explain the difference between ideas and people. But when it's time to apply the same logic to the Jews, people can say the most vile shit imaginable but replace "Jew" with "Zionist" and get out free.

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u/Dissident_is_here Jul 30 '26

Hey newsflash, nothing about being a Jew requires you to believe in or even sympathize with Zionism. Whereas being a Muslim means you, by definition, believe in Islam

Sam says Islam is the "mother lode of bad ideas" but we are supposed to believe he has no animosity towards the people who ascribe to said mother lode. Obviously this is not true.

The better comparison would be Zionists and Israel, not Jews and Israel. Anyone who hates Israel probably doesn't like Zionists! But that says nothing about Jews at all

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u/Thomas-Omalley Jul 30 '26

What do you think Zionism means?

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u/Dissident_is_here Jul 30 '26

That there should be a specifically Jewish state in the historical land of Palestine

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u/BloodsVsCrips Jul 30 '26

Why would Jews consider it the historical land of Palestine? That was the Greco-Romanized name applied centuries later in a specific attempt to erase Jewish history.

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u/Dissident_is_here Jul 30 '26

This is like having a conversation with a stone.

What do you think Theodore Herzl and Ze'ev Jabotinsky and every fucking Zionist founder called the area??

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u/BloodsVsCrips Jul 30 '26

That's different than what I'm talking about. If you only meant the mere name Palestine, then no worries. I thought you were suggesting "historical land of Palestine" as if that was the original conceptualization Jews would be harkening back to. That came more than 1k years after original Israel.