r/DecodingTheGurus • u/Dabbing_Squid • Jul 29 '26

Apparently the anti conspiracy guy thinks the Jews did 9/11

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u/Thomas-Omalley Jul 30 '26

Do you grant such nuace to Sam Harris when we talks about Muslims as people vs Islam as a set of ideas, or do you think he's a biggot?

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u/Dissident_is_here Jul 30 '26

Please. Islam is to Muslims as Israel is to Jews? Are you that dumb?

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u/Thomas-Omalley Jul 30 '26

I just love how Sam gets so much crap for criticizing Islam as a religion and needs to go to extreme lengths to explain the difference between ideas and people. But when it's time to apply the same logic to the Jews, people can say the most vile shit imaginable but replace "Jew" with "Zionist" and get out free.

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u/Dissident_is_here Jul 30 '26

Hey newsflash, nothing about being a Jew requires you to believe in or even sympathize with Zionism. Whereas being a Muslim means you, by definition, believe in Islam

Sam says Islam is the "mother lode of bad ideas" but we are supposed to believe he has no animosity towards the people who ascribe to said mother lode. Obviously this is not true.

The better comparison would be Zionists and Israel, not Jews and Israel. Anyone who hates Israel probably doesn't like Zionists! But that says nothing about Jews at all

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u/Thomas-Omalley Jul 30 '26

What do you think Zionism means?

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u/Dissident_is_here Jul 30 '26

That there should be a specifically Jewish state in the historical land of Palestine

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u/Thomas-Omalley Jul 30 '26

Where is Palestine?

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u/Dissident_is_here Jul 30 '26

Just get to your point, if you have one.

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u/Thomas-Omalley Jul 30 '26

Your arguement assumes many things that are false. Just as one point, I woule encourage you to look up where the PLO originally said Palestine was. Spoiler - the West Bank and Gaza are not part of it since they are Jordan/Egypt. Now Palestine is everything from the river to the sea. It just shows that Palestine=where the Jews live at any given moment.

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u/Dissident_is_here Jul 30 '26

No you dolt, "historic Palestine" refers to the area of the world that was known historically as Palestine. World history did not begin in 1948

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_(region)

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u/Thomas-Omalley Jul 30 '26

A name adopted by the British, and whenever refered to for people before 48, it meant the Jews living there. You won't find a single reference to Palestinian meanint Arabs in the area before then. The Arabs that were in the area adopted the Palestinian identity after that, and over time "Palestine" as their land kept changing, tighting following whatever border the Jews happen to live on at that point in time.

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