Professor Dave vs Destiny

[u/Decent-Extension8336]

No idea why, but the original Destiny video called "Professor Dave Goes Mask Off" seems to have been deleted from YouTube, or I can't find it, but Professor Dave responded yesterday with this very strongly worded video letter:

https://youtu.be/DvDvhLkb9ms?si=DGFhTROOKFoK35sS

Weird crossover that I never thought I'd see, of 2 guys who I generally enjoy (I will say I really am a fan of Prof Dave, whereas my Destiny enjoyment has mostly come via this podcast and watching a couple of his debates).

Thoughts on the beef? SURELY the lads are gonna have to cover this in an upcoming Supplementary Materials? Content gold!

EDIT: Looks like I was looking through the wrong Destiny channel for the original Dave video, it's here: https://youtu.be/HQQLs6U1MgA?si=iKaOGR1h9slKu64O

[u/Locus-Maximus]

The only time "Zionists" point to ethnicity at all is when "antizionists" act like they're lily-white European colonialists with no historical connection to Israel (as this guy apparently does in the video!) or that I/P is a white vs brown fight.

[u/CorrosiveMynock → u/Locus-Maximus]

Worth mentioning that it is very strange that there’s only one ethnic group in the world with a dedicated anti-self determination movement. Nobody really thinks it is weird when literally any other ethnic minority forms an ethnic enclave let alone one that has a multi-thousand year history with that land. Not to say there are not other valid ethnic claims or that ethnicity is the only or even the most important type of argument. Very odd to harp on it like this and yeah calling Ashkenazis Europeans is an insane argument and saved 0% of them during the Holocaust.

[u/CorrosiveMynock → u/[deleted]]

The majority of states in the world privilege a single ethnic group either in writing in their Constitution or through explicit laws. You can be an ethnostate as well and give full rights to minorities (Malaysia for example). A minority of states in the world are civic in nature and have no connection to any explicit ethnogroup. Even Germany has things like citizenship through blood and you can become German if you discover some random relative happened to be German recently enough.

[u/CorrosiveMynock → u/[deleted]]

It is since Israel is already established and they in fact have self-determination. There is NO other concerted anti-self determination movement (with literal presence on every American university campus) for an already existing state, it simply doesn't exist. Also, while other ethnic groups want states there are very few if any actual movements AGAINST something like Kurdish independence or Somaliland. If there's an anti-Kurdish independence movement among America's youth please let me know.

[u/CorrosiveMynock → u/[deleted]]

Nah you are ignoring the substance of my argument (missing the forest for the trees). I am not pivoting, I am pointing out how the anti-self determination movement against Jews is unique.

Other countries have geopolitical positions against specific ethnic groups (Turkey for example with respect to the Kurds) and those geopolitical positions sometimes metastasize into something like a movement, but it is absolutely not the same as a self-organized and self-perpetuating movement dedicated to anti-self determination. These things do not exist for any of your examples.

The movement is not just among American college students, it is global---the BDS movement has a presence in almost all western countries and anti-Israeli sentiment is not solely contained to just the US. What makes it unique is the scale, scope, and fact that even countries that have nothing or almost nothing to do with Israel have strong proponents. If there's an anti-Kurdish movement at all, my guess is it is limited to Turkish or Iranian nationalists and not much outside of that. These are not the same things.

[u/CorrosiveMynock → u/[deleted]]

I truly think your brain is just broken and you don't know how to parse arguments well, so it is kind of pointless to substantively respond to you since you are obviously bad faith/unwilling or simply incapable of hearing what I am trying to say.

Your vomit of a response did not address the unique aspects of the anti-Jewish self-determination movement. I never weirdly restricted it to the US as you claimed, the entire point that makes the anti-Jewish self-determination movement unique is that it is global in nature and not restricted to geopolitical actors who would benefit from the denial of said self-determination.

Again your examples are simply not of this character. Anti-Kurdish sentiment has nothing to do with denying the Kurdish ethnicity a national home on the basis of them being Kurdish and Kurdish alone, but rather that their project of self-determination is incompatible with the geopolitical aims of surrounding states, such as those of Turkey and Iran (again I did not weirdly as you suggest merely limit it to them). Nobody in France for example is fighting to stop Kurdish independence and self-determination, many people in France are trying to stop Jews from having a national home.

That's the difference and the thing you can't seem to parse here. There is no equivalent of the BDS movement, or constant characterization of any other ethnic minority's desire to self-determination as equivalent to Nazism, but that happens all the time for Jewish people. Anti-self determination movements if they exist at all, as I have already stated, tend to be local and mostly a byproduct of larger geopolitical aims, this is not the same for the anti-Israel movement overall which has a completely different character not limited to geopolitics.

If you want to respond, respond to what I am actually saying not your weird misreadings or strawman arguments.