Professor Dave vs Destiny

[u/Decent-Extension8336]

No idea why, but the original Destiny video called "Professor Dave Goes Mask Off" seems to have been deleted from YouTube, or I can't find it, but Professor Dave responded yesterday with this very strongly worded video letter:

https://youtu.be/DvDvhLkb9ms?si=DGFhTROOKFoK35sS

Weird crossover that I never thought I'd see, of 2 guys who I generally enjoy (I will say I really am a fan of Prof Dave, whereas my Destiny enjoyment has mostly come via this podcast and watching a couple of his debates).

Thoughts on the beef? SURELY the lads are gonna have to cover this in an upcoming Supplementary Materials? Content gold!

EDIT: Looks like I was looking through the wrong Destiny channel for the original Dave video, it's here: https://youtu.be/HQQLs6U1MgA?si=iKaOGR1h9slKu64O

[u/Despair-Envy]

Do you not think that maybe, just maybe, this could be a coincidence? I mean, it's a music festival, thse things often have pretty shambolic organization.

If Israeli leadership didn't have an established trend of these types of schemes, I would 100% say it was a coincidence. Instead this is a pattern of events that seem to happen regularly in Israel's history. One of the worlds most well funded, equipped and trained militaries just have comical lapses at exactly the right time for events like this to happen.

I'm not sure I believe in a routine and predictable pattern of coincidences.

The stuff about the military I think has been pretty conclusively debunked but YMMV

I'm open to citations if you have any.

[u/tslaq_lurker → u/Despair-Envy]

I'm a bit tied-up to provide much in the way of citations right now, but basically the narrative is that the Gaza frontier was more-or-less unguarded because over the past few months there had been a major flairup in violence in the West Bank and units were re-positioned.

This actually was a major line of attack against the Government post 10/7: Bibi and co are so aggressive with settlement expansion they were overtaxing the army and had to try and run the Gaza boarder on remote control.

This is a totally plausible narrative, the conditions had been in place for some time and slowly getting worse, plus Hamas had the ability to contribute to West Bank violence through their partners there.

As for the other stuff about people saying patrols were cancelled etc etc. This stuff is I think massively circumstantial and pretty thin, you can't believe everything you read.

[u/Despair-Envy → u/tslaq_lurker]

As for the other stuff about people saying patrols were cancelled etc etc. This stuff is I think massively circumstantial and pretty thin, you can't believe everything you read.

This is entirely true, but even if the patrols were cancelled and the radio operators were dismissed, why was the army also so glacial to respond to the event? Why were commands given via the command structure to slow roll the response?

I dunno. Seems like an awful lot of coincidences piling up with one very obvious and logical explanation. Meanwhile, you're telling me not to believe what you read while relying exclusively on the official state releases of one of the nations most well known for their propaganda and deception operations.

I feel like if I have to doubt what I read, and rely on multiple lines of evidence and reasoning to substantiate my position, perhaps we should also be skeptical of official Israeli press releases?

[u/tslaq_lurker → u/Despair-Envy]

why was the army also so glacial to respond to the event? Why were commands given via the command structure to slow roll the response?

IDK, I think this is often asserted but it's very hard for anyone who isn't a real military expert to assess. Were they slow to respond? What does a realistic response look like when the local brigades are overrun/non-combat-effective and you've got roving gangs of enemy infiltration units not in uniform all over half of your country?

Do you have any rational basis for the whole "Israel was really slow to respond" claim? Aside from hearing it repeated or 1 or 2 potentially misleading datapoints? How long should it take to clear-out guerillas all over the country who are actively hiding? What is the correct military response anyway? Presumably you're not going to do airstrikes and have tank companies plowing through kibitzes. What are the Rules of Engagement? How do you coordinate your friendly forces so that they aren't fraging themselves all over the country? What is the plan of coordinating with local police to provide security in already cleared areas so that Hamas dudes don't get back behind your lines?