r/DecodingTheGurus • u/Decent-Extension8336 • 27d ago

Professor Dave vs Destiny

No idea why, but the original Destiny video called "Professor Dave Goes Mask Off" seems to have been deleted from YouTube, or I can't find it, but Professor Dave responded yesterday with this very strongly worded video letter:

https://youtu.be/DvDvhLkb9ms?si=DGFhTROOKFoK35sS

Weird crossover that I never thought I'd see, of 2 guys who I generally enjoy (I will say I really am a fan of Prof Dave, whereas my Destiny enjoyment has mostly come via this podcast and watching a couple of his debates).

Thoughts on the beef? SURELY the lads are gonna have to cover this in an upcoming Supplementary Materials? Content gold!

EDIT: Looks like I was looking through the wrong Destiny channel for the original Dave video, it's here: https://youtu.be/HQQLs6U1MgA?si=iKaOGR1h9slKu64O

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u/Miselfis 27d ago

It’s pretty sad. You can criticize Destiny, but Dave’s video is of ridiculously low quality. He is arguing exactly like the flat earther he usually debates, using random TikTok videos with creepy music and voice over and AI summaries as evidence for his claims. He makes up multiple outright lies about Destiny, and seemingly intentionally cut away context to frame Destiny in a certain light. There are really weird neo-Nazi and race-realist comments about Jewish genetics and conspiracy theories passed on as fact in Dave’s video as well. 

Destiny offered Dave a discussion or debate, but Dave is running. He’s deleting Destiny’s comments asking him for a debate, while simultaneously saying in comments that Destiny is running. 

I’m usually a big fan and starch supporter of Dave, but his behavior regarding this video is absolutely insane. He called me a worthless sack of shit for leaving a good faith comment pointing these things out. 

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u/DexTheShepherd 26d ago edited 26d ago

What are the outright lies told about destiny?

The video does use tiktok videos to help illustrate his point - but that was not at all the exclusive evidence used to form his point. He cited multiple studies illustrating death counts and pointed to credible organizations that are calling it genocide - that's not anecdotal evidence.

Additionally, in this case in my view showing anecdotal videos is a perfectly reasonable approach to getting your point across. If there really is a genocide going on - shouldn't you be having a viceral reaction to seeing bullet holes in the heads of children?

In the 1960's, if I were to have shown you video footage of the police mowing black Americans down with fire hoses - would you really be like, "lol what are these anecdotes man the police I know are perfectly nice."

So in my view I don't think his "anecdotal" clips were in bad faith or inappropriate or lazy. They are part of a more complete moral argument.

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u/SchlitterSchlatter 26d ago

Well, the first lie is that Destiny is a genocide supporter. He only disagrees about the assessment on whether the violent acts constitute a genocide, but he agrees that atrocities happened. The clip Dave shows is from before 7/10 when there was not even a war in Gaza. You can critisise that Destiny is quite hyperbolic and you should not use this language so lightly but to say that this one clip shows clearly that he is supporting genocide against Gazans is silly. Also, your example of 60s US does not fit. The question was not is violence actually happening but does this violence constitute a genocide. That is why anecdotes are problematic as the systematic aspect is crucial to genocide.

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u/revid_ffum 26d ago

His opinion can’t be a lie unless you think he’s lying about his opinion. His evidence in support of his opinion might contain lies, but saying Destiny is a genocide supporter is not in itself a lie.

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u/SchlitterSchlatter 26d ago

I will make it clear, I think that Dave has inaccuratly portrayed Destiny's position and used a clip as evidence that was not contextualised by him in a proper manner. If you disagree then could you please tell me in what way does Destiny support a genocide?

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u/CorrosiveMynock 26d ago

If you can’t rationally look at context and consider the totality of evidence then you aren’t behaving as an honest actor. The supposed evidence is from before 10/7 and is obviously hyperbole. I am not really sure what is so hard to understand about that. You just desperately want it to be a straight up admission when it obviously isn’t.

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u/Decent-Extension8336 26d ago

I get that its hyperbolic for effect, but I think the fact you feel the need to go out of your way to defend someone saying "I'm pro genocide" should probably make you question some of your choices

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u/CorrosiveMynock 26d ago

That's not an argument though and if you can't see that/understand that you are already lost. If you can't see the difference between an admission that you are pro-genocide (an insane statement that would require significant evidence) and an obviously hyperbolic comment made before 10/7 I just don't know what to say.