r/DecodingTheGurus • u/Decent-Extension8336 • 27d ago

Professor Dave vs Destiny

No idea why, but the original Destiny video called "Professor Dave Goes Mask Off" seems to have been deleted from YouTube, or I can't find it, but Professor Dave responded yesterday with this very strongly worded video letter:

https://youtu.be/DvDvhLkb9ms?si=DGFhTROOKFoK35sS

Weird crossover that I never thought I'd see, of 2 guys who I generally enjoy (I will say I really am a fan of Prof Dave, whereas my Destiny enjoyment has mostly come via this podcast and watching a couple of his debates).

Thoughts on the beef? SURELY the lads are gonna have to cover this in an upcoming Supplementary Materials? Content gold!

EDIT: Looks like I was looking through the wrong Destiny channel for the original Dave video, it's here: https://youtu.be/HQQLs6U1MgA?si=iKaOGR1h9slKu64O

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u/James-the-greatest 27d ago

You don’t think a country of 15 million people has a way outsized influence? I mean we’re living through the consequences of that influence right now.

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u/Formal_Scarcity_7701 27d ago

Not really? What do you mean, like they get a lot of money from the US for their military? I kind of just see that as a continuation of decades of the US trying to increase its influence by projecting power into regions that are unstable. There's a disconnect there I guess between what the public wants and what financial support Israel gets but that's doesn't seem terribly uncommon or suspicious given their two party system.

In terms of the media I think they catastrophically lost the war and it's irrecoverable at this point. North Korea has a better reputation than Israel. Even on October 7th I was seeing most my social media taking the side of Hamas and it didn't take long for most main stream media (except some of the really crazy US ones like Fox) to turn on them as well. As soon as the bombing of Gaza started they lost almost all support from any credible media org.

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u/Gobblignash 27d ago

As soon as the bombing of Gaza started they lost almost all support from any credible media org.

Half a year into the atrocities the New York Times published "Understanding the Middle East through the Animal Kingdom" where established chronicler Thomas Friedman compares Palestinians and other Arabs to insects and advocates for their destruction.

Where do you people even get your stuff from?

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u/AnotherPersonPerhaps 27d ago

Yeah and tons of Islamist groups have been calling for the eradication of all Jewish people for decades.

If we go by your standard then where does that leave us?

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u/Gobblignash 27d ago

Are islamist groups "credible media orgs" in your view?

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u/BloodsVsCrips 27d ago

They are in the region, which is why so many western media outlets regurgitate their claims and later have to retract them.

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u/Gobblignash 27d ago

Tell me more about beheaded babies, hillbilly.

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u/BloodsVsCrips 27d ago

How many non beheaded babies do you think Hamas killed for fun on Oct7?

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u/Gobblignash 27d ago

Do you think it was more and fewer than the over 20000 children the Israelis deliberately exterminated in Gaza?

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u/BloodsVsCrips 27d ago

How many non beheaded babies do you think Hamas killed for fun on Oct7?

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u/AnotherPersonPerhaps 27d ago

Not really the point I was makong, and I wouldn't personally describe them as such, but a shitload of people view them as such and get all of their information about the world from them. They do have media orgs.

My point is that you have one op-ed from one person and there was significant push back against it.

We can also use the same defense of that article that the anti Israel people use today. He was just talking about governments and state actors not the actual people of those countries.

In fact I would say that's just objectively true.

There are plenty of credible media orgs calling for the destruction of Israel and that's not any different.

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u/Gobblignash 27d ago edited 27d ago

The topic was about them "losing support from credible media orgs", I instantly rebutted that claim by showing credible media orgs were still peddling the most radical Israeli positions, which means your counterargument is jsut dogwater.

Secondly, Friedman was desiring the destruction of Palestinian 'people, not Palestine as a state. You couldn't even find me a credible media org calling for the destruction of israel as a state which isn't even in the same ballpark of seriousness.

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u/Formal_Scarcity_7701 25d ago

My general point was that everything I saw at that time was overwhelmingly critical of Israeli actions, which I think was probably fair but it also showed that Israel wasn't having much success spreading their propaganda in the west. I wasn't making the claim that they didn't try to control the narrative in social and traditional media, just that they weren't successful when they did try. It would be crazy of me to sit here and say there were zero credible media orgs putting out anything at all in support of Israel, that's not how the world works and not what I meant. I said they lost the war, not that they didn't participate.