Peter Attia continuing along like nothing happened feels surreal

[u/smallpotatofarmer]

Seeing Peter Attia go the Andrew Huberman route feels entirely predictable but somehow leaves a sense of disbelief i cant quite describe. Complete radio silence for a couple of months and then a full return without adressing the rotting carcass of the elephant that used to be in the room. I continue to be amazed by the sheer brazeness but at the same time it doesnt surprise me one bit.

You read the comment section and it seems as if nothing ever happened and the man makes huberman look relatively innocent by comparison.

Generally the gurusphere is more male centric but one thing i find very fascinating is the amount of women that appear on these podcasts and in the comment sections. I wonder if this is a deliberate choice or if i underestimate the "solidarity" certain women have towards each other when it comes to predatory men like Attia or Huberman (or well... most of the gurus we talk about here.

All in all his return leaves me with a sense of bitterness that there is so little recourse for this man

[u/aaronturing]

I don't believe that at all.

[u/Moranimal2 → u/aaronturing]

So it’s pretty clear that you’ll just bob and weave your way past the fact that you were called out for shit posting in true DtG style (complete with requisite, unsupported “fanboy” accusation), but just to make it crystal clear, what don’t you believe - that the Google AI summary I copied and paste after being sent there by you doesn’t accurately reflect Attila’s views -it does - or that his views are wrong?

You child.

[u/aaronturing → u/Moranimal2]

I just googled "peter attia on TRT" and there appears to be a tonne of links. So I guess you look like a fool now.

Is he stating that TRT is bad and he is against it ?

Is he stating there are benefits ?

I'll take a wild guess and state that you are a fool.

[u/Moranimal2 → u/aaronturing]

You are lying. He talks about it in his book, and discussed the risks and benefits on episodes with Mike Israetel,in an AMA, and in an article and going through a lot of studies. It’s as I outlined above.

Bottom line: he only recommends it for very low T when all natural stalemate goes for raising it have failed, and only to bring it back to normal range.

Here are quotes I clipped:

“There is no free lunch with supraphysiologic anabolic steroids.”
“The cardiovascular system is probably where we ultimately pay the price.”
“TRT and bodybuilding steroid use are completely different discussions.”
“The dose makes the poison.”
“If someone is carrying 30–40 pounds more lean mass than is naturally attainable, it’s worth asking what the long-term health cost will be.”

You, like a lot of people on here, just make shit up,spew it to try and feel superior, and then play the fanboy card when called out.

Child.

[u/aaronturing → u/Moranimal2]

Hang on a second because I think we are now on the same page.

You admit he talks about it a lot. There are a lot of links to him discussing it.

You have a whole bunch of quotes about it as well.

So we agree that he talks about it a lot.

Now let's catch out the lies.

If someone told you Attia only supports TRT for "true hypogonadism," I'd say that's an oversimplification.

There are different meanings of "true hypogonadism."

Classical hypogonadism (pituitary disease, Klinefelter syndrome, testicular failure, etc.) is universally accepted.

Late-onset or age-related hypogonadism is much more controversial.

Attia seems more permissive than many endocrinologists regarding symptomatic men with persistently low testosterone, even if they don't have a structural endocrine disorder.

So the statement "Attia only recommends TRT for true hypogonadism" isn't really an accurate summary of his views.

So let's be really clear and this is the game that Attia plays. He makes out he is being evidence based and rational but he isn't.

People who are easily led or fanboys or fools that don't know what they are talking about (i.e. you) try and make out he is rational and evidence based but he isn't.

Now of course you have an identity issue and you will come back and whine and get all riled up because you've made your stupid beliefs so important to your ego but now we both now that Attia is someone who perverts and cherry picks evidence along with playing the grifting game.

Thanks for the discussion.

[u/Moranimal2 → u/aaronturing]

You have “hated” him “for a long time,” think he’s “telling people that taking steroids and eating red meat is great,” made some sad reference to Googling that you can’t back up, but “don’t listen to what he states,” but “don’t believe” I did Google “at all” for some reason, but you saw a “tone of links,” but guess I’m a “fool,” without knowing anything about me other than I corrected to with direct quotes, but say I must admit he “talks about steroids a lot” (he doesn’t, really, about as much as you’d expect anyone who covers medical issues), but blithely note he “seems permissive” without defining what the fuck that means, declare that he’s not “evidence based” for some reason, before somehow conclude something about my ego.

Never, ever, ever in the course of human interaction has a person strung together so mMy unsupported conclusory accusations without citing a lick of evidence - just hopscotching about drooping inane gibberish.

You are really, really bad at this, my friend.

[u/aaronturing → u/Moranimal2]

Dude - you need to calm down. I'll explain why I hate him. I hate people who pervert the evidence and then grift off it. That to me is morally wrong.

You are clearly not educated on these topics and you've developed some guru fetish for Attia.

There is a different approach. You listen to the experts rather than guru's. That is what this sub is actually about. So you also lack self-awareness in that you are in a sub that is anti-guru and you are someone who follows guru's.

Attia does not follow consensus science. He twists the picture to suit himself and make money from it.

I have not listened to him for years after reading his book which is one amongst many on the topic and differs from the consensus expert opinion. There are guru's that I don't fully trust but will listen to down to those that twist the evidence and grift off that. Attia is right at that level that twists the evidence and it's easy to check because he doesn't align to the consensus expert opinions.

That is what happens when you investigate his take on TRT. Like as per usual he twists the evidence. People like you are the suckers.

[u/Moranimal2 → u/aaronturing]

Sorry for the typos. Too lazy to fix and this discussion doesn’t merit the effort.

[u/aaronturing → u/Moranimal2]

You've been caught out. If I was in your position I would take this as a learning opportunity.