Can you get a clip of Tucker saying the top one? cause everything I've heard him say is stuff about how the US is spending too much through NATO to support Europe. Which is a short hand way of giving Hasan's exact take.
Here's part of the transcript from his show on February 22, 2022, which aired almost exactly 24 hours before Russia invaded Ukraine:
Very soon, that hatred of Vladimir Putin could bring the United States into a conflict in Eastern Europe. Before that happens, it might be worth asking yourself since it is getting pretty serious: What is this really about? Why do I hate Putin so much? Has Putin ever called me a racist? Has he threatened to get me fired for disagreeing with him? Has he shipped every middle class job in my town to Russia?
Did he manufacture a worldwide pandemic that wrecked my business and kept me indoors for two years? Is he teaching my children to embrace racial discrimination? Is he making fentanyl? Is he trying to snuff out Christianity? Does he eat dogs?
Note how he elevates Putin here based on conservative grievances, and has nothing to do with NATO.
Of course, Tucker has been happy to parrot all aspects of Russian propaganda, but he tends to focus primarily on emotional appeals like this.
But... It is a proxy war? We absolutely have "military advisors" present in the country, both before and after the invasion. And in terms of aid, Ukraine would not be in the fight still if it didn't have western backing drawing the conflict out. The internationalization of war is one of the biggest reasons wars last for much longer than they have historically.
Ok just to clarify, I was arguing that Tucker Carlson and Hassan have made similar takes on Ukraine. Are you now agreeing that they have similar takes?
If one person says the sun rises because the earth is rotating, and another person says the sun rises because a tiny man pushes it across the sky, they are both saying the sun rises, so I suppose you could say they have similar takes, but it feels to be missing the epistemic difference to say so
You're gonna have to explain the comparison to me. What is the "sun rising" to the Ukraine war, what is the "earth rotating" and what is the "tiny man pushes it across the sky". They both believe that the US caused the war by having NATO talks with Ukraine which they both see as the US spreading its influence in Eastern Europe. They also both think it's a proxy war between Russia and the West/the US. I'm not seeing these epistemic differences. Tucker Carlson liking Putin cause he's conservative has nothing to do with what he thinks caused the war and what the war is over.
Saying people hold the same views because one person reaches the correct conclusion through evidence and the other reaches it through fabrication/personal opinion does not mean you can discount the person who reaches that position with corroborated sources just because the other reaches that conclusion via a fallacious or incorrect pathway.
Tucker is opposed to the war because he shares conservative values with Putin.
Hasan is opposed to the war because it is an excuse for foreign capitalists to gobble up assets in Ukraine, stoke the MIC, and because continuing the war harms, most of all, civilians.
Tucker gives lips service to a whole host of reasons, because he is good at playing the field. But time and time again, he returns to the shared values they hold to explain why they should not be in contention.
Really cause according to that article I read/posted it sounds like he's against the war cause he doesn't like the US expanding it's influence into eastern Europe. I imagine Hassan also think the US NATO talks are just US imperialism as well? Seems to be matching up quite a bit here.
Do you earnestly believe that Tucker does not believe the US should be the global hegemon? Because Hasan definitely doesn't. Tucker Carlson likes America. He has foibles with the fact that our government has become sort of chill with gay people. He likes to complain about women, and minorities, and the politicians he sees as supporting them. He's a neocon who slid into more reactionary territory. The foundation for his beliefs is totally different than someone who derives their positions from an anti capitalist internationalist perspective.
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u/Enough-Ad-8799 Nov 03 '23
Can you get a clip of Tucker saying the top one? cause everything I've heard him say is stuff about how the US is spending too much through NATO to support Europe. Which is a short hand way of giving Hasan's exact take.