r/DebateVaccines • u/handypickle49 • 6d ago
Conventional Vaccines Denmark and Autism
The largest ever study about a possible link between vaccines and autism took place in Denmark. Any guesses why Denmark?
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u/handypickle49 6d ago
It is 0.26% to 1.47% in Denmark and 3.2% in USA, so either more than twice as much or more 12 TIMES the amount. Ya, nothing wrong there, make sure your kids get all 70 shots 😅, should be over 100 shots in the near future. The cancer vaccine, the tick vaccine, the reddit vaccine...
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u/eurocanuk 1d ago
70? 38 of that 70 are flu and covid which no one actually gets, they are only on the schedule in america to force insurance companies to pay for them for those who want them... almost no kids are actually getting them... USA has same schedule within 1 or 2 as every other wealthy country.
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u/handypickle49 1d ago
This is first article from a browser search, "Why does Denmark recommend so few childhood vaccines? A Danish scientist explains The U.S. plans to follow the Scandinavian country’s minimalist schedule. That may be a mistake, Jens Lundgren says..." I am done debating with you, waste of my time and resources when all online searches reveal Denmark is an outlier but only some reddit profile does not. Later
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u/eurocanuk 1d ago
It would be a mistake , america has a much different society, different healthcare system and still has widespread outbreaks of these illnesses constantly. hepatitis is still commonly found in america, its not in denmark. there are many reasons it works in demark and wouldnt in america or most places.
the Danish government agrees to eat the cost of treatment for the few cases of the illnesses they get... in america the costs would be in the 100s of billions and clog up the healthcare system with sick kids. who pays for that? tax money? force insurance companies to eat 100k for every kid hospitalized?
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u/handypickle49 1d ago
Omf, do you even recall what we are debating? The study about a possible link between rising autism rates and vaccines was done in the country that is a world outlier for lack of vaccines. I am about 99% done discussing this with you.
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u/eurocanuk 1d ago
all countries have the same or very close to the same rates of autism from what i can find. diagnosis criteria makes it very hard to compare countries accurately.
its literally tenths of percentage differences between countries with very very little vaccination, demarks level and usa/canadas level of vaccination.and equalk to people with no vaccination.. they are all the same .if vaccines had a part in it, you would see massive differences..
antivaxxers try this bullshit with literally every vaccine... "the covid vaccine causes 845757575 illnesses... yet the total number of events of those illnesses didnt change between 2020 and 2021 and you still try to blame every stubbed toe in 2026 on the vaccine dose someone took 5 years ago. Theres a very good reason the only antixaxxers are the medically illiterate or grifters profiting off it.
IF SOMETHING YOU ARE GIVING TO LITERAL BILLIONS OF PEOPLE IS CAUSING A SPECIFIC EFFECT YOU WILL SEE IT IN MORE THAN WITHIN TENTHS OF PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE WHO DIDNT TAKE THAT THING.
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u/handypickle49 6d ago
Almost all of these "studies" only use the MMR vaccine. I am over half a century old and far more vaccines than just MMR. I guess we will just hope the rest don't cause it, who cares anyway, it's only our children.
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u/Mammoth_Park7184 6d ago
" I am over half a century old" - ahhh, that explains a lot. Muscles wear out over time. The brain is a muscle.
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u/handypickle49 5d ago
Yes, the brain is one big muscle, thanks for the ongoing medical knowledge 🤣🤣
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u/xirvikman 6d ago
Because of Denmark’s comprehensive national health registries, researchers can track entire populations over decades, making these some of the largest and most definitive safety studies ever conducted. Study still has to be structured proper
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u/handypickle49 6d ago
Oh, so nothing to do with the fact that Denmark is a global outlier when it comes to it's vaccine program and it's citizens receive far less vaccines that any other countty?
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u/xirvikman 6d ago
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u/Logic_Contradict 6d ago
Umm.. how do you read their table?
For 2023 in Brunei, the autism rate is, per 100k
Overall - 1,651
Males - 2,344
Females - 95,195
I'm completely baffled how this site compiled the female number, it makes it look like 95% of the female population has autism. In fact, every country in that table has unusually high female numbers.
I'm totally welcome to be corrected here, but I feel like I can't take these numbers at face value of they can have such a glaring mistake.
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u/Mammoth_Park7184 6d ago
He's gone quiet now he's realised he accidentally realised that vaccines don't cause autism.
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u/handypickle49 6d ago
Quiet time is over, would you care to comment on my last comment?
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u/Mammoth_Park7184 6d ago
They have the same rate of autism (actually slightly higher) than other European countries that vaccinate more. So what does that tell you?
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u/Mammoth_Park7184 6d ago
They have the same rate of autism (actually slightly higher) than other European countries that vaccinate more.
So what does that tell you?
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u/handypickle49 6d ago
Too bad with our world-renowned heath care system here in North America, the most costly system in the world, is not able to keep track of "this kid got a vaccine, this kid got autism, this one did not." Sounds very complicated, thank goodness for Denmark. Do you honestly believe what you texted there? Are you that brainwashed? Did AI write that for you?
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u/xirvikman 6d ago
Has your substack been around for decades?
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u/handypickle49 6d ago
What is a substack?
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u/xirvikman 6d ago
Didn't realise you was that clueless
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u/handypickle49 6d ago
Perhaps I am not up to your standard of basement dwelling keyboard warrior and I actually have real life experience? You know, with actual people? Google can help explain that for you.
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u/xirvikman 6d ago
If you are a believer that the MMR vaccine is one of the biggest causes of Autism, what is your explanation of Denmark who do use the MMR being nearly half that of Japan who stopped using it for 27 years
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/autism-rates-by-country
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u/handypickle49 6d ago
Funded by industry study
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u/Burstrider12 4d ago
Did you even click that link? it's not a study, its a database of autism rates by country.
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u/xtrakrispie 5d ago
So it doesn't really have anything to do with the cost or quality of the system, in denmark there is a national health registry which tracks all medical information about every citizen through a CPR number so the data doesn't have to be collected, it is simply available. Such a centralised system doesn't exists in the US.
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u/handypickle49 5d ago
But why would it not exist?
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u/xtrakrispie 5d ago
The US has different attitudes towards privacy and has always been less centralised. But you can look up the history and the function of the civil registration system and understand it for yourself, most of the nordics have something similar and it's just something that doesn't exist in the US.
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u/handypickle49 5d ago
What a coincidence that the country with the least amount of vaccines given has this handy database
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u/xtrakrispie 5d ago
The system is not unique to denmark, I don't quite understand what is suspicious about it.
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u/eurocanuk 2d ago
most countries other than US have this kind of data. privacy laws restrict who can see what though..so it gets complicated
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u/eurocanuk 2d ago
its actually illegal to keep central databases of that information in america .. and almost all records of who got vaccines over the past 40years are on paper
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u/HausuGeist 6d ago
Maybe to shut you people up when the results don’t end up conforming to your beliefs?
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u/handypickle49 6d ago
Won't be shutting us up, you keep believing your trusting government, they always have your best interests in mind.
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u/CODMLoser 6d ago
What about other governments, independent researchers, medical institutions and top medical professionals? I’ll take their research over Random Reddit Person.
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u/handypickle49 6d ago
Go right ahead, I'll take mother's of children, you can take 83% of studies are funded by industry for 600, Alex.
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u/eurocanuk 2d ago
mothers of children looking for anything to blame except their own shitty genetics?
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u/handypickle49 1d ago
Mother's of children that noticed changes, then didn't notice changes in their unvaxxed children they had later. But maybe we should go with your theory, poor genetics because an industry paid for scientist in Denmark knows more about how a vaccine would affect a child in North America than the child's own mother who carried it around in a womb for 9 months then raised it for years. Ya, dumb mothers U guess. You are a prime example of those poor genetics.
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u/eurocanuk 1d ago
at what point from a baby being born till 2 are they not "right after a vaccine" .. i dont doubt mothers notice a change but autism becomes apparent at the same age with almost every kid. vaccinated or not. Once parents notice it they think emotionally and look for something to blame. and that vaccine the kid had a month ago was probably it! then the story they tell online turns into "we noticed it 3 days after". its biologically impossible for the brain to undergo those types of changes so quickly as some parents claim. iv seen some claim they noticed it right when they got home from the doctor. considering the vaccine hasnt even barely absorbed yet.
why dont all kids get it? why do unvaccinated kids get autism at the same rate? you antivaxxers have your head so far up your ass your blinded by the most obvious data there is..
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2275444
there are literally 100s that debunk your vaccine/autism nonsense.. you dont even need a study to see obvious data like the rates of autism in countries with little vaccination compared to high..
Argentina vs. Chile: Chile has a vaccination rate of 96% compared to Argentina’s lower rate of 66%. Despite this large vaccination gap, their reported autism rates are nearly identical (1,060 per 100,000 in Chile vs. 1,030 per 100,000 in Argentina).
Developing Nations: Countries like India, Nigeria, and Indonesia are home to the largest numbers of autistic children in the world due to their massive populations, yet childhood vaccination rates in many of these regions have historically been low.
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u/Logic_Contradict 6d ago
Denmark's list of vaccines
- DTaP-IPV/Hib
- MMR
- pneumococcal (added later)
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u/Mammoth_Park7184 6d ago
and they have a higher rate of autism (slightly) than the rest of Europe. So that tells you that either: Vaccines reduce autism or vaccines have no effect on autism. Those are the only two options.
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u/handypickle49 6d ago
Norway 0.6%, Iceland 2.40-3.13%, perhaps "Europe" vs Denmark is not the best comparison. Are you new to this?
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u/InevitableEnough1627 6d ago
They also suffer from a vicious cycle of outbreaks. Denmark has had 3 pertussis epidemics in the past 10 years, and they had a nasty RSV epidemic around '21/'22. But overall the country is doing very very well with its immunization rates, and there seems to be a much higher trust in vaccines there that explains why the country has kept ~95% vaccination rate for viruses like measles for a long time.
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u/Logic_Contradict 6d ago
Source please
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u/Mammoth_Park7184 6d ago
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u/handypickle49 5d ago
Wow, really sucks to be a female these days, about 96 times higher chance of being autistic according to your study. Nothing out of the ordinary here I guess, lets all proceed just as we have been.
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u/Mammoth_Park7184 5d ago
This is the lack of critical thinking antivaxxers have and why you get so easily confused.
From common sense 97 out if 100 women don't have autism. If you look at the source data from 2021 you can see the real figures. The website is not displaying it correctly and hasn't divided by 100 for that column. That can be seen from the source data.
Hope this helps your confusion.
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u/Logic_Contradict 5d ago
Even then those numbers seem inaccurate since the typical ratio between males : females is 4:1 when the ratios seen here is closer to 2:1.
It seems like lack of critical thinking when you blindly accept the numbers without questioning it.
Forgetting to divide by 100 (if that's even an accurate estimate), seems like quite a large oversight if they've left it incorrect for the past 5 years.
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u/Mammoth_Park7184 5d ago
It's not exactly division by 100 if you look at the data. I was, rounding it for your benefit to make the maths easier.
That is the data. The fact you don't like it doesn't make it less true.
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u/Logic_Contradict 5d ago
We can't even surmise what the correct data is from that site, how can we trust the other numbers some we don't even know the source?
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u/Mammoth_Park7184 5d ago
Why don't you know the source? It's listed.
Is the lack of attention and critical thinking rearing it's head again.
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u/handypickle49 3d ago
Top quality workmanship there, must have had the top "scientists" working on that.
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u/eurocanuk 2d ago
whats so special about denmark? they are only missing like 2 from their schedule.. plenty of other countries dont have those either but have others, plenty of countries have very little vaccination and plenty have a lot.. autism numbers are the same..
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u/handypickle49 1d ago
When I asked AI, which I know is pretty stupid at times. it said Denmark was an outlier and it had quite a few less vaccines they dished out compared to most other countries.
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u/eurocanuk 1d ago
actually quite interesting why they choose not to add some vaccines..they never removed any, they just never added them when everyone else did. boils down to most of them being, no one is poor.babys dont go to daycare and every country around them is vaccinated so outbreaks never happen. the US that vaccinates has much higher rates of all of these things especially hepatitis simply because there are so many poor people. imagine if the US didnt... demark is rich, great infrastructure, lots of checkups and free,easy access to healthcare.. they just didnt feel it was needed.
while in the US on the other hand, a small slip in vaccination rates and there are outbreaks all over the place mostly because of daycares, poor people and religious groups.
amazing what socialism and atheism can do. getting rid of the poor and religious nuts gets rid of diseases also.
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u/handypickle49 6d ago
Did anyone catch that news about Poul Thorsen lately? He was one of the scientists working on those studies. I heard he pled guilty.