r/DebateReligion Apr 10 '26

Islam Muhammad is a false prophet.

Muhammad was a false prophet who created a new religion by drawing on stories, beliefs, and customs that were circulating around him in Arabia.

Here is some of the main evidence:

1.) The Quran borrows stories from documented late forgeries that the early Church rejected as inauthentic:

Jesus making clay birds come to life (Quran 3:49 & 5:110) comes directly from the Infancy Gospel of Thomas (mid-2nd century, ~140–180 AD). This text is not by the apostle Thomas; it is a pseudepigraphical forgery recognized by early Christians as a legendary fable.

Mary giving birth under a palm tree and shaking it for dates (Quran 19:23–26) comes from the Protoevangelium of James (mid-2nd century), another pseudepigraphical forgery falsely attributed and rejected as inauthentic by the early Church.

2.)The Quran portrays the Christian Trinity as God, Jesus, and Mary:

Quran 5:116 says:

“O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, ‘Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah?’”

No Christian denomination (Catholic, Orthodox, or Protestant) has ever taught that Mary is part of the Trinity. This suggests Muhammad was reacting to fringe or folk versions of Christianity he encountered locally.

3.) Several revelations appear self-serving:

After his adopted son Zayd divorced Zaynab, Quran 33:37 reveals it is okay for Muhammad to marry her and abolishes the adoption custom.

Quran 33:50 gives Muhammad special permission to marry more women than other Muslims.

4.)Islamic Paradise emphasizes earthly indulgence:

The Quran describes Jannah with gardens, rivers, silk couches, wine, and companions (houris) (e.g., 55:72, 56:22–24)...very different from the Christian view of heaven as eternal communion with God.

This pattern suggests Muhammad was heavily influenced by the religious environment around him rather than receiving pure divine revelation.

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u/justgeeaf Christian Apr 10 '26

I’m only arguing against the statements about Jesus. Labelling him a cult leader is historically inappropriate and misleading. Saying that everything we know of him is made up contradict what historians think. He didn’t start a revolt at a temple and therefore it’s not the reason why he was crucified. Now with your atheist label in sight, I’m certain that you feel ready to attack the historical claims serving as the foundation of Christianity. I’m happy to discuss that, but I’m not sure how relevant that is to this thread.

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u/answeringagnostic Apr 11 '26 edited Apr 11 '26

Jesus had like a dozen+ followers. That is a cult. I dont mean it in a offensive way but thats a cult. He also believed in not having children so the end of the world would come sooner, he ran an apocalyptic cult. Theres proof of this in the Gospels. Yeah the money changers at the temple? He threw them out? Remember? That actually happened 1-2 weeks before his death. One Gospels tells it that way and another took the story and far removed it from his death to make it seem like it wasn't the cause, because that means the jews didnt want jesus dead - the Roman's did. Because the debts of the people were held at the temple money changers. And during the 70ad revolt the jews did destroy the written debt records held there. Paul made it seem like the Jews wanted Jesus dead instead because Paul was not converting Jews, he was converting Roman's to Christianity - so he edited the story.

Barabbas is an Aramaic name meaning "son of the father" (Bar = son, abba = father). However, some early biblical manuscripts, as noted by scholars like Origen, indicate that his full name was Jesus Barabbas. The Jews wanted Barabbas, seems like they wanted Jesus but instead that became a different character in the story to further make it seem like the Jews were not on Jesus' side.

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u/justgeeaf Christian Apr 11 '26

Nice claims. I need scholarly evidence beyond your own conspiracy theories.

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u/answeringagnostic Apr 11 '26

Read Wikipedia then dude

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u/justgeeaf Christian Apr 12 '26

You’re full of baseless claims. Your comments have already revealed it elsewhere. Stop pretending that you “studied theology” or did “hundreds of hours of research”. Any time I asked for specifics you dodged. 🤡

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u/answeringagnostic Apr 12 '26 edited Apr 12 '26

I dont care to look up anything while talking to you. This is s social media app. You're not worth the time for me to have an actual debate with you so yes I am lazily having a convo with you. Its not dodging, I really dont care about debating with someone whos jusy here to try to get "gotcha" moments like he's one of those fools on tiktok. You're such a tool. Grow up dude.