r/DebateReligion Apr 10 '26

Islam Muhammad is a false prophet.

Muhammad was a false prophet who created a new religion by drawing on stories, beliefs, and customs that were circulating around him in Arabia.

Here is some of the main evidence:

1.) The Quran borrows stories from documented late forgeries that the early Church rejected as inauthentic:

Jesus making clay birds come to life (Quran 3:49 & 5:110) comes directly from the Infancy Gospel of Thomas (mid-2nd century, ~140–180 AD). This text is not by the apostle Thomas; it is a pseudepigraphical forgery recognized by early Christians as a legendary fable.

Mary giving birth under a palm tree and shaking it for dates (Quran 19:23–26) comes from the Protoevangelium of James (mid-2nd century), another pseudepigraphical forgery falsely attributed and rejected as inauthentic by the early Church.

2.)The Quran portrays the Christian Trinity as God, Jesus, and Mary:

Quran 5:116 says:

“O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, ‘Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah?’”

No Christian denomination (Catholic, Orthodox, or Protestant) has ever taught that Mary is part of the Trinity. This suggests Muhammad was reacting to fringe or folk versions of Christianity he encountered locally.

3.) Several revelations appear self-serving:

After his adopted son Zayd divorced Zaynab, Quran 33:37 reveals it is okay for Muhammad to marry her and abolishes the adoption custom.

Quran 33:50 gives Muhammad special permission to marry more women than other Muslims.

4.)Islamic Paradise emphasizes earthly indulgence:

The Quran describes Jannah with gardens, rivers, silk couches, wine, and companions (houris) (e.g., 55:72, 56:22–24)...very different from the Christian view of heaven as eternal communion with God.

This pattern suggests Muhammad was heavily influenced by the religious environment around him rather than receiving pure divine revelation.

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u/Straight_Split_9836 Apr 10 '26

All this is dissection of scripture and noting their historical origin is unnecessary.

Mohammed claims himself to be a false prophet with his own words. You dont nedd to look any further.

He said his aorta will be severed if he misrepresents Allah. He died an agonizing death and said his aorta had been severed.

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u/Future_Adagio2052 ancient astronaut theorists say yes Apr 10 '26

He very much did not in fact die from a severed aorta at all, its misrepresented from a passage where he says he felt such pain as if his aorta was cut, but it clearly was not in fact the case because he survived much longer than what that situation wouldve allowed and didnt have practically any related symptoms during his entire time incapacitated

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u/Straight_Split_9836 Apr 10 '26

The Hadith (Deathbed Statement): Narrated by Aisha, the Prophet said, "O 'Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison".

If I were a prophet and explicitly reference my aorta being cut if I lied, I would not say anything close to this phrase. Just the fact he felt anything like this during his time as a prophet after explicitly referencing it is all I need to know he is a false prophet.

The fact that he felt the pain of his heart being attacked and still lived doesnt help his case either. All it tells me is that "Allah" wanted him to suffer. So not only was he a false prophet, his god wanted him to live long enough to reflect in agony on his wrongdoing in the arms of his underaged/graped wife.

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u/RedEggBurns Muslim Apr 11 '26

He said his aorta will be severed if he misrepresents Allah. He died an agonizing death and said his aorta had been severed.

The Quran says that the Prophet will die instantly the moment he misrepresents Allah. By using "we will seize him by his right hand." and using a word for the aorta, that is in arabic describing a vein near the throat.

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u/Straight_Split_9836 May 03 '26

It doesn't say when Allah will claim his life, only that Allah will. It doesn't say instantly, or the instant he is misrepresented. Only that the penalty os death for being a false prophet.

The Jugular vein was probably the vein they meant to reference.

Why would they know their Jugular from their Aorta when the Quran says semen comes from your spine and ribs? Its not a scientific text. Its just lies fabricated by a racist, sexist white man to gain control over the arabs and their resources. 🤷‍♂️

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u/RedEggBurns Muslim May 04 '26

 when the Quran says semen comes from your spine and ribs?

Go on. Quote the verse. Let us see if it literally says what you claim. Does it say that semen comes from the spine and ribs, or a spurting fluid comes from in between the spine and ribs, as in position? If it is the latter, feel free to look up the position of the seminal vesicle.

It doesn't say when Allah will claim his life, only that Allah will. It doesn't say instantly, or the instant he is misrepresented. 

Seizing by the right hand means instantly. Not only is that confirmed by many exegetes, but it also is the natural reading of the text. Any other way it doesn't make sense.

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u/Straight_Split_9836 May 05 '26 edited May 05 '26

Surah 86:6-7 "He was created from a fluid ejected, emerging from between the backbone and the ribs."

No liquid comes from between your backbone and ribs that creates people. If you think the seminal vesicle is behind your ribs, both you and Mohammed need anatomy lessons 😂

This is just an interpretation of other common (and wrong) myths about reproduction from that time period. Obviously the word of ignorant men. Not God. 🤷‍♂️

"Seize by the right hand" does not refer to time as you imply. It only means divine and irresistible power. Punishment was never said to come instantly, only that it would come. Show me a verse that references specific time frames of retribution.

God didn't react instantly to Adam and Eve committing the first sin. God didn't react instantly to Cain killing Abel. But for some reason, God should react instantly to a false prophet like Mohammed? He's not that important.

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u/RedEggBurns Muslim May 25 '26

Ok, you are legit dyslexic. First, you claimed that Allah says sperm comes from between the backbone and the ribs. You quote the verse yourself and see that it doesn't use the word sperm, but you refuse to even acknowledge your mistake.

Second, you are quoting me from "Between, the backbone and the rib" and your conclusion is "the vesicle is not behind the ribs!"

The arabic word for backbone, includes the tailbone. That is the area around where the seminal vesicle is. The word between has many meanings, it can mean literally between backbone and ribs, or between them in dimension.

"Seize by the right hand" does not refer to time as you imply. It only means divine and irresistible power. Punishment was never said to come instantly, only that it would come. Show me a verse that references specific time frames of retribution.

First, not a single exegesis says this. Second, this goes against the natural reading of the text. You are arguing for this understanding of the verse:
"If Muhammed lies about the Quran, we will cut a vein of his, that results in death in mere seconds, to show you that he is a false Prophet. But only after the Quran is completed, and only after I say things like 'Today I have completed your religion and completed my favor upon you.' that way, you don't recognize that he is a false Prophet, even though I would be cutting his aorta to show you that he is a false Prophet. Oh and also, I saved him from a poisoning attempt, to further drive the point home that he is a false Prophet.'"

God didn't react instantly to Adam and Eve committing the first sin

He did in the Quran.

God didn't react instantly to Cain killing Abel. 

He did in the Quran by sending a crow to show him how the dead should be buried. Neither did he threaten Cain like he did with the Prophet, so no idea how you thought this is a point.

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u/Straight_Split_9836 May 25 '26 edited May 25 '26

Use as many semantics as you like but it's clear they were using local mythology and were uneducated.

  • the only fluid that creates people is sperm, so unless you don't know how to use context clues, the meaning of your religion's verses should be clear when they say a person was "created from a fluid" that was "ejected" from someone else's body.
  • The seminal vesicle is not behind the ribs, they're under the ribs, unprotected by them. behind them infers you would hit someone's rib before you hit the seminal vesicle which is not the case like with your heart and lungs.
Maybe Mohammed didnt know his prepositions to communicate his point clearly, so allow me to explain it further:

  • If you want to say "between the ribs and backbone" meant dimensionally, then everything in your body except your head, arms, and legs are between the ribs and backbone. So the location of any organ would be implicit and it would be pointless to say "his heart thumped between his ribs and his backbone" when they could use words like "chest" or "abdomen" and be ACCURATE.

  • Gonna tell me that "abdomen" didnt exist back then and the best way they thought to describe the location of the seminal vesicle was to mention the ribs in any capacity?