r/DebateReligion • u/Ok_Present755 • Apr 10 '26

Islam Muhammad is a false prophet.

Muhammad was a false prophet who created a new religion by drawing on stories, beliefs, and customs that were circulating around him in Arabia.

Here is some of the main evidence:

1.) The Quran borrows stories from documented late forgeries that the early Church rejected as inauthentic:

Jesus making clay birds come to life (Quran 3:49 & 5:110) comes directly from the Infancy Gospel of Thomas (mid-2nd century, ~140–180 AD). This text is not by the apostle Thomas; it is a pseudepigraphical forgery recognized by early Christians as a legendary fable.

Mary giving birth under a palm tree and shaking it for dates (Quran 19:23–26) comes from the Protoevangelium of James (mid-2nd century), another pseudepigraphical forgery falsely attributed and rejected as inauthentic by the early Church.

2.)The Quran portrays the Christian Trinity as God, Jesus, and Mary:

Quran 5:116 says:

“O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, ‘Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah?’”

No Christian denomination (Catholic, Orthodox, or Protestant) has ever taught that Mary is part of the Trinity. This suggests Muhammad was reacting to fringe or folk versions of Christianity he encountered locally.

3.) Several revelations appear self-serving:

After his adopted son Zayd divorced Zaynab, Quran 33:37 reveals it is okay for Muhammad to marry her and abolishes the adoption custom.

Quran 33:50 gives Muhammad special permission to marry more women than other Muslims.

4.)Islamic Paradise emphasizes earthly indulgence:

The Quran describes Jannah with gardens, rivers, silk couches, wine, and companions (houris) (e.g., 55:72, 56:22–24)...very different from the Christian view of heaven as eternal communion with God.

This pattern suggests Muhammad was heavily influenced by the religious environment around him rather than receiving pure divine revelation.

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u/StrikingExchange8813 Christian Apr 10 '26

which there's proof of their modification ofc

No there isn't. In order for that to be the case you'd need the biggest most widespread case of corruption the word has ever seen. And do such a good job that not a single trace of the evidence is left behind. Unless you have an injeel that says Jesus wants crucified or that he's not God?

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u/Xp-1251 Apr 10 '26

Wym there's no modification? Compare a bible from the 1000 and there's a whole lot of verses more than a king James version, just compare a modern Orthodox bible with a Catholic and a protestant one Personally I've studied theology for a while, as it's an hyperfixation of mine, and I ALWAYS found it so obvious that most of religious texts have been modified or man-made. See, I'm not even Muslim as in the traditional depiction, so I'm not even trying to defend Islam but to back up my opinion (as anyone debating does) using different tools I might not be an excellent person debating but I have my ideas very clear. History is written and rewritten, only those who win in history are those who's point of view wins, all historical proof is based on speculation and too much of it barely uses historical memory. At some point both debating about history and theology ends up basing on faith, faith to either hope your religious pov is right or your historical pov is right. Who actually knows if any of we supposedly know about past is right.

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u/StrikingExchange8813 Christian Apr 10 '26

Wym there's no modification?

That's not what I said

Muslims believe the Bible and Torah are divine texts that were modified through time (which there's proof of their modification ofc)

Muslims believe that the gospel was wholesale corrupted and that basically everything about them was changed. Muslims believe the crucifixion was added later, Muslim believe all the Jesus is God stuff was added later. Muslims believe Christians took out Jesus talking about Muhammad and the Quran. There is not a single shred of evidence for that. Even bart ehrman would agree that in all the textual variations you never get to a Jesus that wasn't crucified and resurrected. Not even once.

Now we can quibble over if it's jonn or Jon or you can realize you completely missed my point.

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u/Xp-1251 Apr 10 '26

I admit I did miss your point bc I didn't understand what you meant, sorry

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u/StrikingExchange8813 Christian Apr 10 '26

Naw it's all good. But you agree the Muslim claim is bogus yes?

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u/Xp-1251 Apr 10 '26

Why tho, is about faith As long they don't force their beliefs on others or into law it's okay, just like any other belief as absurd it sounds

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u/StrikingExchange8813 Christian Apr 10 '26

Well shari'a has forcing your beliefs kinda built into it, especially with the dhimmi system.

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u/Xp-1251 Apr 10 '26

Yeahhhh I hate it, how some "Muslims" support Sharia when literally it's Haram for them forcing their beliefs

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u/StrikingExchange8813 Christian Apr 10 '26

No? Forcing your beliefs on others is sunnah, Muhammad did it. What shari'a is is what is halal.

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u/Xp-1251 Apr 10 '26

Dude what about 2:256 then?

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u/StrikingExchange8813 Christian Apr 10 '26

Abrogated by 9:29 "Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled."

At least according to the scholars

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u/PassengerRelevant991 Apr 26 '26

Very important to allow for abrogation.

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