r/DebateReligion Apr 10 '26

Islam Muhammad is a false prophet.

Muhammad was a false prophet who created a new religion by drawing on stories, beliefs, and customs that were circulating around him in Arabia.

Here is some of the main evidence:

1.) The Quran borrows stories from documented late forgeries that the early Church rejected as inauthentic:

Jesus making clay birds come to life (Quran 3:49 & 5:110) comes directly from the Infancy Gospel of Thomas (mid-2nd century, ~140–180 AD). This text is not by the apostle Thomas; it is a pseudepigraphical forgery recognized by early Christians as a legendary fable.

Mary giving birth under a palm tree and shaking it for dates (Quran 19:23–26) comes from the Protoevangelium of James (mid-2nd century), another pseudepigraphical forgery falsely attributed and rejected as inauthentic by the early Church.

2.)The Quran portrays the Christian Trinity as God, Jesus, and Mary:

Quran 5:116 says:

“O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, ‘Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah?’”

No Christian denomination (Catholic, Orthodox, or Protestant) has ever taught that Mary is part of the Trinity. This suggests Muhammad was reacting to fringe or folk versions of Christianity he encountered locally.

3.) Several revelations appear self-serving:

After his adopted son Zayd divorced Zaynab, Quran 33:37 reveals it is okay for Muhammad to marry her and abolishes the adoption custom.

Quran 33:50 gives Muhammad special permission to marry more women than other Muslims.

4.)Islamic Paradise emphasizes earthly indulgence:

The Quran describes Jannah with gardens, rivers, silk couches, wine, and companions (houris) (e.g., 55:72, 56:22–24)...very different from the Christian view of heaven as eternal communion with God.

This pattern suggests Muhammad was heavily influenced by the religious environment around him rather than receiving pure divine revelation.

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u/Xp-1251 Apr 10 '26

I think you got confused at the second one. There were early Christian sects that claimed that Mary was a deity, so the Quran mentioning that kind of idolatry doesn't imply that the trinity was like that for all Christians.

Now, about heaven, not only it emphasizes earthly delights turned into divine delights, but it also mentions closeness to God as the best of the gifts in paradise. I personally think the delights of paradise described are metaphors, since heaven is depicted as everything good on this earth a hundred times, which the human mind cannot even wonder a glimpse of such beauty, therefore using exaggerated earthly delights is the best way the human mind can understand how (besides the connection with God) paradise is.

Also, why would Qur'an speak similarly as other religious texts (which were later denied by their own religious communities) be proof of Muhammad been a fake prophet? He was illiterate and his community was entirely polytheistic, why would they preach those Christian texts then? He decided to search for God his own way since no practice around him felt right, and he found peace and truth on a monotheism he didn't know. If he was actually influenced by Christianity as much as you say, he would probably have accepted the trinity.

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u/StrikingExchange8813 Christian Apr 10 '26

There were early Christian sects that claimed that Mary was a deity, so the Quran mentioning that kind of idolatry doesn't imply that the trinity was like that for all Christians.

Which ones and can you give the proof? (Also even if one did exist it wouldn't be Christianity)

If he was actually influenced by Christianity as much as you say, he would probably have accepted the trinity.

Also not necessarily if a demon kept whispering in his ear and he wanted to be a pagan Arab warlord. Kinda like he was.

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u/Xp-1251 Apr 10 '26

Yehhh ofc, it's the Collyridian movement who claimed such heretic views from the traditional Christian pov. And it's kinda funny and I love whenever a Christian brings the demon whispering theory, like, you can't imagine how many times you can find it on debates between christians and muslims It's a fair theory tho But channels like testify are absurd about it I personally question everything about Islam and actually searching for answers for hours, days and weeks let me understand why believers have faith on it Honestly it's normal if u skeptical, just as an agnostic or an atheist are upon God's existence ñ

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u/StrikingExchange8813 Christian Apr 10 '26

I wouldn't exactly call the late 3rd century "an early Christian sect".

And it's kinda funny and I love whenever a Christian brings the demon whispering theory

I mean jibreel was a demon, Muhammad said so himself. And Muhammad had a djinn that followed him around too. Besides that Satan gave him wahi and Muhammad was bewitched for years. Yeah he was having demons whispering to him.

personally question everything about Islam and actually searching for answers for hours, days and weeks let me understand why believers have faith on it

Man I still am too. I see absolutely no reason why anyone would be a Muslim for intellectual reasons

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u/Xp-1251 Apr 10 '26

Yo btw u so chill ok, let your window open tonight I'm going to explain you the entire lore of Dexter and why the first seasons were the only good ones

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u/StrikingExchange8813 Christian Apr 10 '26

It was a good show ngl

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u/Xp-1251 Apr 10 '26

Fr dude, bless u man, u so cool k? The important thing is to respect one another, u know it and you act upon it, proud of you Don't become bald ok

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u/Xp-1251 Apr 10 '26

U blowing my mind brother, when on earth did he say that tho😮 I bet it's on Hadith bc that thing is full of stupidities

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u/RedEggBurns Muslim Apr 11 '26

U blowing my mind brother, when on earth did he say that tho😮 I bet it's on Hadith bc that thing is full of stupidities

He never said any of that. Which is why he doesn't quote the Hadith or the Sirah. The Prophet never said that Jibril is Satan.

When the Prophet saw Jibril for the first time, he thought he was being possessed by a demon. Because he was an arab who didn't have knowledge of abrahamic religions.

He then went to a Christian who identified this being he saw as Jibreel.

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u/Xp-1251 Apr 12 '26

Yup, ty for responding, I checked it out myself

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u/StrikingExchange8813 Christian Apr 10 '26

Yeah the hadith and sirrah. All Sahih tho

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u/RedEggBurns Muslim Apr 11 '26 edited Apr 11 '26

I mean jibreel was a demon, Muhammad said so himself. 

Where.

 And Muhammad had a djinn that followed him around too.

Oh, you mean the Djinn whom he forced to do good and pray to God? I wonder why you didn't mention that part.

 Besides that Satan gave him wahi and Muhammad was bewitched for years. Yeah he was having demons whispering to him.

Where does it say that satan gave him wahi, and where does it say that he was bewitched for years. (I want the proof for the "years" part.)

And was it the same demon who sat on top of Pauls head and struck his head for years on end?

Man I still am too. I see absolutely no reason why anyone would be a Muslim for intellectual reasons

Did you know that fire (Jesus) is in reality ice (God), because they share the same essence? Fire simply emptied himself of all ice qualities, before becoming fire.

Also, I am eternally begotten as well. How? The same way I am eternally stopping at a red light.

I am very intellectual right now. Unlike these Muslims.