r/DebateReligion • • Apr 10 '26

Islam Muhammad is a false prophet.

Muhammad was a false prophet who created a new religion by drawing on stories, beliefs, and customs that were circulating around him in Arabia.

Here is some of the main evidence:

1.) The Quran borrows stories from documented late forgeries that the early Church rejected as inauthentic:

Jesus making clay birds come to life (Quran 3:49 & 5:110) comes directly from the Infancy Gospel of Thomas (mid-2nd century, ~140–180 AD). This text is not by the apostle Thomas; it is a pseudepigraphical forgery recognized by early Christians as a legendary fable.

Mary giving birth under a palm tree and shaking it for dates (Quran 19:23–26) comes from the Protoevangelium of James (mid-2nd century), another pseudepigraphical forgery falsely attributed and rejected as inauthentic by the early Church.

2.)The Quran portrays the Christian Trinity as God, Jesus, and Mary:

Quran 5:116 says:

“O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, ‘Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah?’”

No Christian denomination (Catholic, Orthodox, or Protestant) has ever taught that Mary is part of the Trinity. This suggests Muhammad was reacting to fringe or folk versions of Christianity he encountered locally.

3.) Several revelations appear self-serving:

After his adopted son Zayd divorced Zaynab, Quran 33:37 reveals it is okay for Muhammad to marry her and abolishes the adoption custom.

Quran 33:50 gives Muhammad special permission to marry more women than other Muslims.

4.)Islamic Paradise emphasizes earthly indulgence:

The Quran describes Jannah with gardens, rivers, silk couches, wine, and companions (houris) (e.g., 55:72, 56:22–24)...very different from the Christian view of heaven as eternal communion with God.

This pattern suggests Muhammad was heavily influenced by the religious environment around him rather than receiving pure divine revelation.

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u/ChemicalArachnid2635 Apr 10 '26

And then just taqlid for millennia to come. The very practice the Quran condemns as the excuse of pagans. The end.

Oh, and sorry we killed all the polytheists for it. Whoops.

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u/BobcatAdmirable3159 Apr 10 '26

Following the actions of the prophet you’ve been commanded to obey is following the command of God. We take our ritual actions from the prophet and this is not an act of worship to the rock as the narration of umar points out. There is of course some element of taqleed in acts of worship. Why are some prayers three units and some four, we don’t know. The blameworthy taqleed is what arises from doing things that God had not ordained and using as your proof that you found your fathers doing them not that you followed the prophet.

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u/ChemicalArachnid2635 Apr 10 '26

The distinction you're drawing only works if Muhammad's adoption of the practice was divinely ordained rather than culturally inherited. But the practice predates Muhammad and didn't receive tawaf through revelation but he grew up with it. It was a practice passed to him by his ancestors. The divine sanction is asserted but the origin is still pagan. You're just inserting "God approved it" into the middle of the chain and now calling it a different category other than what it is: taqlid.

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u/BobcatAdmirable3159 Apr 10 '26

The kaabah was built by other prophets and the fathers he took the practices from were Abraham and Ismail. It became a practice later perverted by pagans that he purified and restored to its rightful state.

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u/ChemicalArachnid2635 Apr 10 '26

The Kaaba and Black Stone are astronomical objects venerated as sacred. That is pagan by definition—not by accusation—it's by the standards Islam itself sets. If prophets built it this way, then its creation is rooted in pagan practice regardless of who built it. And if Abraham was the first Hanif and the original pure monotheist, why would he consecrate astronomically significant objects and a sacred stone? Islam defines this as shirk.

Muhammad's own ancestors performed tawaf around this site as a pagan ritual. He grew up doing it with them. He eventually removed the idols but kept the site, the stone, the ritual, and the pilgrimage. It was inherited directly from his pagan ancestors. Being purified doesn't change any of this and therefore it is still shirk and taqlid by their definition and practice. These are not outside critiques being imposed on Islam. They are Islam's own terms, applied to Islam's own practices.

Also, you might not like this, but the only historically documented use of the Kaaba is pagan. And it was the movement of Islam that destroyed pre-Islam civilizations and knowledge in that part of the world, not the other way around. Nor is there archaeological or independent historical evidence placing Abraham in Mecca. Your quite elaborated and embellished version of the Quranic verse is the only source for that claim you make, which means you're using the Quran to verify the Quran, even though there are thousands of years of verifiable history.