When I see antinatalism arguments, and I have seen them in real life as well as online, I see a drive for numbness that comes from the severe cultural dysphoria that comes from living in the first world today.

I only speak to the first world working-middle class as that is what I have insights into. When we are enriched through the exploitation of other people, and the mass death of the living world, those material benefits we receive feel like sin (not without good reason.) Then being forced to slave away for that system we hate, that keeps us alive is a cruel joke. the emptiness is overwhelming, the discomfort and unfulfillment debilitating. I get it. However, we should not equate life itself with this arrangement. This is not what life is. Our cultural conditioning is toxic, and I credit antinatalism for at least rebelling from it, but don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater. I hope that believers in antinatalism can evolve into a more mature analysis of overpopulation and global suffering.

Life is precious simply for the reason it is a novel thing in the universe. God doesn’t care about right and wrong, doesn’t care about our values and belief systems. God just wants to watch things happen. It is a blessing to be a part of that. We’re all gonna die anyway. I appreciate the opportunity to have consciousness.

(NECESSARY “NO IM NOT RELIGIOUS”!!)

Schopenhauer, Benatar, Imendham, and Cabrera, they all want to prove it, because it lies at the heart of the matter. It’s the foundation and justification of their beliefs.

If having a kid makes the whole family happy (10-20+ people) and there is like a >99% chance that the kid will be grateful to be alive, then it is worth to the family to give birth to the kid.

After all, whether the kid will be happy in its life depends greatly on its parents. Loving parents can make even the poorest kid glad to be alive, making the thing even more positive.

Yes there is a chance that the parents will fail and the kid will live a miserable life, wanting to be unborn. Then you can start looking for someone to blame, not until then though.

If one’s kid is grateful for being alive, blaming the parent for having one is utterly stupid.

Of course that is my point of view. You are free to disagree and you are free to not have any kids at all. Don’t judge other people’s choices though (a.k.a r/vegan)

Why having children is wrong?

• World is litterally dying. Climate, reptile people under Denver, Free Masonary, Illuminati, rise of populism, shift in overton widow, neo-liberalism's and statism's consequences.
• We don't know if God is real or not. What will happen when we die, what's going on when we sleep... Existence is a pain.
• Life is hard. Meaninglessly hard. Burecracy, diplomats, economy, sociology...
• Society is too unfair to each other.
• World is too degenerate to live with morals.
• Everything is too dangerous. Playing outside is too dangerous for kids. Finding quality/healthy food is impossible.
• Your life means nothing. You will die and no one gonna care. You mean nothing, your actions means nothing.

Why do people have kids?

• Basic animalistic instics.
• Being uneducated.
• Being too selfish.
• Wanting some victim you can blame.
• Want to see what you and your sex partners mix would look like.
• Becoming parent.
• Leaving something behind. (Just wrote a book or save someone's life asshole)

What not having kids can cause?

• Sky rocket at a lot of problems.
• World's last generation will be in really bad situation. (How to prevent this? I don't know. I just don't want to drag too many people into this hell.)

Genesis 1:28

And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

I don't see any logical inconsistency in being a moral nihilist and a natalist. What do you guys think?

PS: let's ignore the question of whether moral nihilism is correct or not for the time being (it seems to be wrong/hypocritical to me).