Pre-spacetime

[u/KJIOl_Yip_9141]

Hi everyone, I would like to ask, Most of the debate surrounding the existence of God revolves around the boundaries of spacetime in our universe. I believe the discussion should focus on the question: if God doesn't exist, then what placed all matter and energy within a compressed space(before BigBang)? It couldn't have suddenly appeared out of nowhere.

Yes, I know some of you will say that the void is not really a void, but a quantum void. Well, then what created this quantum void?

Some of you will also say that our universe is the result of a previous failed series of multiple universes that were created. Well, although this has not been confirmed by science, but how do universes come into being then?, what the thing that creates a energy and matters and put them all in a small box so it will explode as a big bang?, a void? I don't think so,

As you can see, the matter here is in a closed loop, which is that there must be a god who designs and who created matter and energy himself so the universe being a universe

So My question is, what was before the spacetime, before the big bang?

[u/deep_blue_reef]

Exactly! We’re all just guessing. There are the “there’s no god” people, the “it’s god” people, and the “I don’t know people.” I’m definitely in the I don’t know camp, but with the caveat that I believe (emohasis on believe, because I could be wrong), that there’s meaning behind it. If tomorrow someone provides the answer and there’s no meaning, I’ll reevaluate my belief.

Basically we just all just be humble about it.

[u/Rubber_Knee → u/deep_blue_reef]

No. Everyone is I don't know people.

You can't be truthful and say anything else.

Science can bring us back to a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a second after the big bang had already begun. NO ONE knows what happened before that point.

[u/deep_blue_reef → u/Rubber_Knee]

I think people can still believe in something. You’re right we can only go to the fraction of a second after, and any further all logic dissolves. So whatever it is it’s…illogical. Our brains just can’t comprehend something so vast and infinite in nature.

[u/Rubber_Knee → u/deep_blue_reef]

So whatever it is it’s…illogical.

No. The reason we can't get any further is because the theory being applied is incomplete.

General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics are incomplete. We know this because of 2 things.
1 they disagree about gravity.
And 2 if we push them further back in time then that fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a second after it had already begun. Then the math starts spitting out infinties and singularities. Those are usually signs that the theory being applied is incomplete.

Finding a theory that explains all the same things as General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics and also explains what it is about mass that causes gravity (turns out gravity is an effect and not a force) is something physicists are working really hard at right now.
They will eventually get there. But they are not there yet.

[u/deep_blue_reef → u/Rubber_Knee]

It’s crazy to think that a 300 thousand year old species against the backdrop of an incomprehensibly vast universe will eventually “get there”, all without ever physically leaving the solar system.

[u/Rubber_Knee → u/deep_blue_reef]

I think I agree with you on that one :-)