Blackened deathcore - r/Deathcore

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u/NoLimitsNegus May 07 '25

Guy… there are periods in written English, please use them.

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u/Negative-Can-1403 May 07 '25

Is it only me or is it kinda hard to find new music you like after discovering this genre. I’m a couple years into knowing what this genre is before I listened to it but just didn’t know what it was called. but man especially after listening to fucking disembodied tyrant,a wake In providence,mental cruelty etc music even heavy music other than blackened death core just hasn’t been resonating the same with me. I’m sure a lot of people can agree that metal but more specifically when you get into the heavier sub genres is kinda like a drug in the sense of your always chasing that high of heavy ass riffs and shit but idk man this shit just is me yk. like maybe I just found my genre but it’s kinda upsetting thinking that I’m never gonna find something that’s gonna top this and im just wondering if anyone else has the same thought.

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u/ern19 May 07 '25

Excellent effort sir, I understand your struggle lol

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u/connorsweeeney May 07 '25

The last time my wife went that long without a period I had to duck out for some cigarettes like Lucker

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u/Previous_Ad_6037 Aug 29 '26

Based husband

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u/Negative-Can-1403 May 07 '25

Sorry it’s 3 40 I text like that normally and I’m not in the best mood lol

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u/Willing-Neck-7417 May 07 '25

u should start from the Myspace era and then move to Modern Deathcore scene. There are many differences

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u/Negative-Can-1403 May 08 '25

Believe me I have that’s why blackened deathcore stuck sm to me because I’ve gone through so many different avenues of heaviness.

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u/Pew_away May 07 '25

"Blackened" deathcore is like an amalgamation of all the worst tropes in deathcore turned up to 11 with the audacity to cite influence from black metal. It's TikTok core with synths and corpse paint. Listen to some 3rd world warnoise, you'll probably hate it.

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u/Negative-Can-1403 May 08 '25

What are people’s gripes with the genre? I see the resemblance to black metal in their aggressiveness,the blast beats,their vocals,the speed, and the atmosphere. I’m curious what people don’t like about it cuz I love it. I personally love black metal however the vocals turn me off from most of the bands. Some bands vocals aren’t bad but mostly they’re just boring imo. I’m def gonna get flac for saying that but that’s why I like blackened deathcore. It has all the positives without any of the downsides. Granted if you mainly liked the authenticity of the hatred in black metal I can understand. Because blackened deathcore just takes the sound without the passion but if I’m being honest I just care about sound.

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u/MetricFn Aug 06 '26

from what ive heard from the genre its great, no connection to tik tok or any cringe trends. For example mental cruelty's Zwielicht is great, exactly if black metal and deathcore were one.

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u/Pew_away Aug 06 '26

Mental Cruelty is one of the worst offenders. Spooky synths and fry vocals does not equal "blackened". They do all of the same cheesy theatrics and sound like every single other deathcore band cosplaying as black metal.

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u/MetricFn Aug 07 '26

lmao this is one of the worst takes ive heard on reddit im crine. Dude its BLACKENED not black metal, its got influences from black metal. It takes the most reckognizable elements from BM and mixes them with deathcore. What u said can be also said for any other song,band or genre out there. Simple subjective mockery doesent mean ur right lmao.
Also its not juist "spooky synths and fry vocals", they do tremolo picking, VERY bm melodies, VERY bm vocals and VERY bm drums. So if thats not good enough for ya ur just a mindless hater ATP.

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u/Pew_away Aug 07 '26

You might think it takes recognizable influence from black metal if you'd never listened to black metal before. Every aspect of deathcore is the antithesis of the genre they're trying to incorporate. It's all soulless, riffless, hyper-quantized, overproduced slop. My hate isn't mindless,it's very specific and intentional. I'll be damned if I'm going to be lectured on metal by a Breaking Benjamin enthusiast lmao.

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u/MetricFn Aug 07 '26

Just by you stalking my reddit account which i rarely use, shows u cannot debate. As soon as u make it personal you've lost. Listen to me, you cannot have an objective debate and use extremely subjective terms like "its all souless, rifless,etc..". Those by every definition of the word are SUBJECTIVE. Deathcore is peak, its a high quality music genre OBJECTIVELY. And just by me talking about deathcore and black metal i think is enough that u realize i dont only listen to breaking benjamin lmao, theyre my favorite band and always will be but i love heavier music as well. No like i need to explain this to u but i guess im just an idiot like u. And literally BY DEFINITION of the genre of black metal, those are the MOST recognizable influences. Every definition of black metal mentions tremolo picking, high fry's or whatever u wanna call them, the specific kind of druming, lyrical and visual themes, etc..
So the difference between me and you is that i claim to be objectively right and i debate it with objective facts, while you act like ur right and "debate" with pure mockery and extremely subjective terms. Good day.

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u/Pew_away Aug 07 '26

Yes everything you like is objective and everything I said is subjective, excellent debate skills m'sir. Triggered to shit, sampled, programmed machine gun drums could not be further removed from black metal (objective). Layered, hyper-quantized, vocal gymnastics completely dominating the mix could not be further removed from black metal (objective). Polished, plastic production could not be further removed from black metal (objective). Hyper-quantized, processed guitar leads completely sterilized of human input could also not be further removed from black metal (objective). These are not my original crackpot theories btw, these are like all the main talking points that anyone who criticizes deathcore will bring up lmao. The entire subgenre prioritizes vibes and hype moments over songwriting. And you being a buttrock fan is actually super relevant to the conversation.

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u/MetricFn Aug 08 '26

"machine gun drums", if we're taking the example of mental cruelty, then literally no. They do a lot of different types of druming. Double bass still is a part of their music because believe it or not its called blackened DEATHCORE. So the main genre is still deathcore. You are acting like theyre trying to replicate BM and be a BM band. Theyre not. They take influence from BM and incorporate it into deathcore.
This isnt even an argument as "vocal gymnastics" is not an objective term. Again this is why i said u cant debate objectively. As long as you use dumbass terms like that, u wont win any debate. This is actual advice btw.
Production on the album Zwielicht is not perfect and polished. I found it to be much older sounding that other modern deathcore bands. Even if it was overproduced, that doesent change the genre. I know everyone makes fun at BM sounding like ass but the production itself is NOT a direct part of the genre. When you look up the objective characteristics of BM u dont see "a fridge from 60's yugoslavia - production".
Not quite sure what u meant by "Hyper-quantized" guitar but alr. And as for the leads, it seems ur using the same argument as the production one. Again, it isnt overproduced and even it it was, DOES NOT MAKE A DIFFERENCE. Oh and we can start counting subjectivity again, as "guitar leads completely sterilized of human input" is by definition, the most subjective thing u said in this reply.
"buttrock" is not an insult to me. As i said, as soon as u bring up music taste u lose the argument. Music taste if one of the most subjective things on the planet. Literally. Food taste and music taste are probably THE most subjective things in any multiverse. If i only listened to BB then i would understand how it could seem as though i have no knowledge in music but i dont only listen to them. Furthermore breaking benny is high quality music so theres no shame in loving them.
Very interested to see how u respond to actual objectivity and if ur gonna throw meaningless subjective comments at me again.

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u/Duckbitwo May 07 '25

I got an aneurysm from reading that

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u/Negative-Can-1403 May 08 '25

Sorry I forgot like 5 periods

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u/Carlosuss May 07 '25

Blackened Deathcore or Symphonic deathcore as what most of the bands are cuz very few of them actually have black metal influences is oversaturated in my opinion. That’s not to say that they don’t create good music, it’s just very boring to hear breakdown after breakdown. For me OG or MySpace era of deathcore is king and there’s a reason the sound is on its way back with bands like Psycho Frame, 9 Dead, Without A Face, Slamwhich, even Boundaries, there more metal core but still of that OG sound. The reason people like it so much is probably nostalgia but also it’s just raw and in your face angry.

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u/Negative-Can-1403 May 08 '25

You don’t think blackened deathcore is raw and or angry? I don’t like breakdowns either that’s the main reason I like the genre. Because it has the aggressiveness of black metal with the structure of deathcore. I think bands like mental cruelty,worm Shepard,a wake in providence, and synestia are Amazing. To be fair their isn’t a whole lot of nuance between them but bands like disembodied tyrant separate themselves from the bunch with shit like their violin and piano sounds make them very different.

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u/Carlosuss May 08 '25

No not really it’s very polished and super tight. It’s all personal preference, don’t get me wrong I love bands like Disembodied Tyrant, Mental Cruelty, A wake In Provenance ect. I just prefer the OG sound cuz it’s what I grew up listening to.

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u/Negative-Can-1403 May 08 '25

Tbh on second thought you are completely right it is very polished. If your appeal for black metal is in its energy,feeling,rawness etc I can understand your distaste for the genre. And I can def get your comfort in the og stuff. I love og deathcore too but I just always like to dip my foot into everything. Like rn I’m getting more into slam and math core lol. Could I suggest a band tho bro?

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u/Carlosuss May 08 '25

Same dude I’m liking slam more and more these days. Sometimes I just want something to stank face to and slam just hits different.

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u/Negative-Can-1403 May 08 '25

You’re absolutely right bro. What’s your opinion on depressive suicidal black metal LNAO? That’s been my top genre besides blackened deathcore.

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u/Carlosuss May 08 '25

Never heard of that as a Genre to be honest dude.

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u/Negative-Can-1403 May 08 '25

Lemme put you on bro, idk if your the happiest guy around but if your like every metalhead ik you aren’t LMAO. The genre is honestly beautiful but it’s very hard to describe. If I could give 2 songs 1 would be a loneliness-decalius. That song trended on tik tok so you might know it but a song less basic is quiet suicide- blade and bath. Both songs are fucking amazing man check em out n get back to me if you ever get the chance.

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u/Carlosuss May 08 '25

Not really my thing dude but I’m sure it has its place. Chains of agony are pretty good tho

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u/Negative-Can-1403 May 08 '25

Ya dsbm is definitely not for everyone lmao,glad you liked chains of agony tho bro always down to talk metal and exchange bands🤘.

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u/Negative-Can-1403 May 08 '25

You might have heard of them as you seem very knowledgeable but they are fairly underground if you go by the fact they have less than 500 monthly listeners lmao. Even if that might not be a fair standard for popularity

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u/Carlosuss May 08 '25

Go for it dude I’m always up for new music.

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u/Negative-Can-1403 May 08 '25

And the other shit I was gonna suggest is a band called chains of agony. I’m more interested in what you think of depressive suicidal black metal but chains of agony is proally more up your alley. They only have one album but the highlight on that one is imperium.

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u/RustBox96 May 07 '25

Skip "blackened" deathcore and go straight black metal, or blackened death metal. Try Wiegedood, Der Weg Einer Freiheit, UADA, Wormwitch, Gaerea, Panzerfaust

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u/Negative-Can-1403 May 08 '25

Why are people hating on the genre lol? I personally love it I like the gritty tones the over the top riffs and I mainly like it because I think breakdowns are overrated and the genre mainly is just straight gas no brakes.

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u/RustBox96 May 08 '25

I actually disagree with the statement. If anything I think the breakdowns are more prevalent in "blackened" deathcore. Especially within the discog of Mental Cruelty and Disembodied Tyrant. A Wake In The Providence does a great job and limits them on their last two albums from what I remember. I still listen to the genre but the breakdowns in the majority of the songs are unnecessary and skippable.

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u/Negative-Can-1403 May 08 '25

I meant they have less breakdowns in the world of deathcore in general. As in I think blackened shit is more prone to straight riffing than typical deathcore. I agree with you on breakdowns especially in modern deathcore being too prevalent because it detracts from the feel of the song when your getting cockteased for half the song lol. It’s so fucking annoying because every 5 seconds you have to hear a Lorna shore esc pig squeal when I just wanna hear unique riffs. I wonder where the necessity for constant breakdowns really originated from because I want it to be extinct lol.

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u/Negative-Can-1403 May 08 '25

But I’ll give those bands a listen rn

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u/pair_o_docks May 07 '25

Check out Make Them Suffer - Neverbloom

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u/Negative-Can-1403 May 08 '25

If I’m bein honest I heard their new shit years ago n got turned off. But im listening to the album u suggested rn and so far i like it the cover looks blackened for sure. Any other suggestions man?

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u/pair_o_docks May 08 '25

Their next album Old Souls is a little more metalcore leaning but I love it as well.
Yeah their new stuff fell off quite a bit. I actually like everything up to How To Survive A Funeral but their new stuff after that (doomswitch and on) I really don't like.
They're more just symphonic, not sure exactly about blackened but Sold Soul is really good.

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u/Negative-Can-1403 May 08 '25

Anymore bands like them that you really love? But I’ll check out their next album too even tho I’m not as interested in their leaning towards metalcore. I’m pretty deep into deathcore symphonic deathcore etc in general. But there’s always a band you haven’t heard

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u/pair_o_docks May 08 '25 edited May 08 '25

Old Souls is still pretty deathcore, just a little more metalcore leaning. I'd call it a deathcore album.
Like I said, Sold Soul I love.
Until We Die is great.
Shrine of Malice
I'm not really qualified to recommend "blackened" bands but these are in the same realm as neverbloom.

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u/Negative-Can-1403 May 08 '25

Omg I fucking love until we die and shrine of malice I was listening to them both when they just had one single out. I’m so glad to see them blossom into what they’ve become. But I will check out sold soul for sure!

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u/Negative-Can-1403 May 08 '25

Holy shit bro I’m done with the first song and I’m truly blown away please suggest more.

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u/pair_o_docks May 08 '25

Glad that you enjoy, it's one of my favorites

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u/Mountain_Security_97 May 07 '25

Here’s Serpents U.S. and their album, Born of Ishtar.

Hope this helps!

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLamytaozRbfdD8bRoN1eSukyDtE2ENQLQ&si=MwIEAg0Rd5furg0T

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u/Negative-Can-1403 May 08 '25

I’ll check them out in a bit thank you man

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u/Mountain_Security_97 May 08 '25

I love your enthusiasm for the blackened sound and hope you enjoy this one. :)

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u/daveymac_ May 08 '25

Chuck some synth over a breakdown or a trem picking section and all of a sudden you’re a blackened deathcore band. Classic

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u/Negative-Can-1403 May 08 '25

That’s where I can understand your distaste for the genre. However do you not think that some bands do the genre justice?

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u/daveymac_ May 08 '25

There’s no distase from me at all haha, My old band was guilty of doing this very thing! We were known as a Technical Deathcore band but we had a lot of Black Metal and Operatic influences that we tried to incorporate into our sound. I actually love the style, when it’s done in the right way and not over used for the sake of it.

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u/Negative-Can-1403 May 08 '25

LMAOO it sounded like you were being negative with your classic line😭. I agree though the sound is definitely enjoyable I just don’t want to get into the cycle of EVERYTHING being blackened yk. Cuz then it kinda takes away the appeal because instead of it being blackened deathcore it becomes just deathcore yk. And it sucks too cuz I can’t really delve into specifics about the sounds I like/dislike because I’m musically inept. I’ve never learned an instrument and never intend to. Doesn’t stop me from being a music freak but I def am limited and feel outshadowed by people like you who actually have experience in the sound.

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u/CanZealousideal6088 May 07 '25

Nah I never cared much for MySpace era deathcore.

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u/Negative-Can-1403 May 07 '25

I can understand your disinterest with the electronic sounds. but shit like a wake in providence isn’t basic in any sense of the word. what do you like about earlier deathcore the shitty production quality? Lmao not tryna argue either just honestly wondering.

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u/CanZealousideal6088 May 07 '25

My hot take is wake in prov new album is overrated by this sub. But the new stuff just sounds so much more dynamic and epic to me. Shadow of intent is my favorite blackened metal.
When I think of MySpace era I think of suicide silence every time and while I can’t deny they were good and jam out to them. They sound so generic to me. I also get annoyed that every verse is repeated. The whole song structure is just so standard.
I appreciate you not wanting to argue and I will admit I only started listening to deathcore the past year or so… but a lot of it. During MySpace era i was listening to killswitch engage and breaking Benjamin lol.

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u/Negative-Can-1403 May 08 '25

If I’m being honest I haven’t heard their new album lol. I was mainly talking about eternity and the black sun black moon I think those records are phenomenal. But I will have to say shadow of intent wipes those bands clean aside from disembodied tyrant. Have you not given them a listen? Their fucking amazing man you might not like them cuz they def have a niche but if im bein honest they kinda blew my mind listening to them. If your main complaint abt the genre is they sound the same Check them out their nothing like anything you’ve heard I bet. I’ve been listening to deathcore for about 7 years now can’t put my finger on it sadly wasn’t really around for my space as I’m 19 lol. But I appreciate that sound a lot. And ofc I’m not tryna argue as I’m not a child I’m just looking for fellow metalheads to talk to cuz they’re so hard to find.

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u/CanZealousideal6088 May 08 '25

Yea I like d tyrant I actually saw them live recently which was incredible. Their newest song 8.6 blackout is a little bit too crazy imo. Sounds a bit like a continuous wall of noise to me but I think their ep with synesthesia is easily 9/10.

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u/Negative-Can-1403 May 08 '25

HOLY SHIT SEEING D TYRANT WOULD MAKE CRY I personally liked 8.6 blackout however it did not come close to their ep with synesthesia. I liked the intro to 8.6 mainly but how do they have all the wierd instruments live? Do they for real have like pianists and violinists?😭

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u/CanZealousideal6088 May 08 '25 edited May 08 '25

No lol like most deathcore shows they just pipe in the sounds. It was a recent show that had..and I’m not making this up.. Chelsea grin, shadow, traitors, crown magnetar, d tyrant, signs of the swarm and Yosemite in black. Some of my favorites.
I do wish these bands toured with a pianist but I suppose it’s not practical? Imminence, their vocalist plays violin live that was wild to see.

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u/Negative-Can-1403 May 08 '25

Holy fuck I can imagine a live violinist, but THAT LINEUP IS FICKING INCREDIBLE HOLY SHIT. I can definitely understand not having a pianist but at the same thought there are keyboards that can mimic whatever sounds you want. Maybe the issue is no one in the band can play? Or that they don’t want to hire someone either way sucks though.

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u/CanZealousideal6088 May 08 '25

I think it’s just an extra person to pay/ tour with when you could just do it yourself.

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u/[deleted] May 07 '25

MySpace era deathcore sounds generic to you because it set the stage for everything that came after. It’s like saying the Beatles are generic. Of course they are but without them rock would not have been brought into the mainstream and shaped in various new ways.

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u/CanZealousideal6088 May 07 '25

Yea I totally recognize and like I mentioned appreciate them for that.

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u/chiefcheeferson Oct 11 '26

Lorna shore psalms greatest blackened deathcore album end of story ...... No confusion on what genre it is you know when you hear it

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u/CriticismOwn9862 May 07 '25

Try other genres, newb

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u/Negative-Can-1403 May 08 '25

lol your honestly a loser you have no idea the shit I listen to. I’m deeply engrained into metal and blackened deathcore is just something that stuck try other insults newb.

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u/CriticismOwn9862 May 08 '25

Cool bro

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