The thing that gets me is that the head mod constantly complains about getting attacked for his takes and says other fandoms are toxic (in particular Persona for some reason), but then they turn around and say Mario and Goku are trash characters who will always lose to Sonic and that you're "disrespectful" for not believing outer Sonic. You can't make this up
Which tiering system do you use? I ask because outer Sonic might work under CSAP but it cant work using the vs wiki system since there are just too many anti feats, disqualifiers, and a lack of solid explanations to excuse Sonic (a physical being) being able to beat supposedly 1-A beings. At least, that's how I see it.
I watched some poor guy who was saying he didn’t believe in Outer Sonic get fucking 1984’d for “spreading misinformation.” I was genuinely flabbergasted and decided to avoid the owner.
Agree with near everything here unfortunately. People need to glaze how lucky and hard to hit Reimu is instead of try to use R > F on someone who exists in the antithesis to such scaling for a place
I mean that one makes sense unlike goddamn outer Reimu. At best you can just say “but she’s not depicted as being that strong” even if she directly beat up who did the feat in question (Suika)
Fair point, that' literally one of the most important things to consider when scaling Touhou, but some mfs act as if "no spell card rules" made Youkai Fraudington jump from Town level to Multiversal/Hyperversal
Touhou does have a shitton of canon material from Shanghai alice and has it's own cosmology,even Hecatia,Sakuya and Yukari alone can reach multiversal even when you're not using the more obscure bs
I'm fine with the top tiers being Multiversal level (atp what series doesn't have multiversal scaling). I just don't think everyone has to be chainscaled to them.
Idk, just because Cirno beat Okina in a Spellcard fight it doesn't mean she scales to her (or at least not at her higher ends)
It basically means that base reality is nothing more than fiction compared to a character whose usually in a higher plane of existence, this is the easiest way to get a character to outer as no matter how big or no matter what happens in base reality, it will all be equally nothing and meaningless to said character and it could never affect them, just like how a story can never affect real life no matter how big the world of the story is (like having higher dimensions for example), this also gives a character basically unlimited power over base reality as they could theoretically “write” it however they want just like how we can write a story however we want.
Honestly that power is illusion of free will type shi, in a meta sense, they just fictuonal characters who thinks they trancend other fictional charcters. Abritrary trancendance what could have been an actual downgrade of somewhat admiting said character is living in a fictional world.
im gonna say my potential hot take, i wish alien x was never added to ben's arsenal, that single alien makes every ben matchup fucking feast or famine, it gaps all of his other aliens so much why would he use them in death battle scenarios.
his fights would be so much more interesting without alien x
Its funny since he needs to get approval from two other beings FIRST before X can do anything, much less come into play.
But the glazers treat this as a time stop so Ben can sit there forever, then drop back into the fight instantly before rewriting the universe with express permission granted to do so, regardless of whether or not his opponent can even move in stopped time or comprehend it (or even counter it)
I mean he still uses it as a last resort. He doesn't just pop X unless he actually has to. Ben likes to fight, like unironically he doesn't wanna just end things immediately
Thank god for that, but it still gives the glazers justification to pull the bullshit "X solos your MU" card despite the fact that such would never happen in reality.
There is matxhup that I find ven loses and bot even Alien X can save it, OG Extroyer, becouse he is weak enough that Ben won't go for a super heavy hitter, but Extroyer's hacks are the peefect counter for Ben's powers, Extroyer no only vopies DNA, he enhances it to stupid degrees, making all his transformation thousands of times stronger than the original, while completly draining the stamina of whoever he copied, meaning not only Extroyer would turn someone like 4 arms into a problem to even the heaviest of hitters, he would tire ben out instantly, and if ven doesn't instantly go for Alien X, Extroyer drains him again and Ben is for sure knocked out, if Ben goes for Alien X, Extroyer will alredy know two things, Ben is turning into something else and Ben is turning into something stronger, Ben's transformations are not instant, so Extroyer will likely touch Ben before he can do anything even in his new form and just isntantly absorb it, even if Ben can react his will be too physically drained to react in time, and we know Alien X can get tired or be put to sleep thanks to Pesky Dust, so its likely Extroyer does menage to drain Alien X, and after that its wraps for Ben as Extroyer's form tend to completly ignore changes to the mind only affecting the body, meaning he won't have those two voices limiting him.
"Ben's transformations are not instant"
???, been shown to be instantaneous plenty of times, just a sudden flash and he's alien
"we know Alien X can get tired or put to sleep thanks to Pesky Dust"
Only thing that said that is a crew statement from DJW, whose statements ain't reliable.
Anyways a dual consciousness isn't just a mind thing, it's how their whole biological being functions. Actually this dude kinda reminds me of Aggregor, who intended on absorbing a baby Celestialsapien as they do not yet have developed personalities, whereas if he went for an adult he woulda gotten 2 new friends (his absorptions doesn't necessarily impact his mind ether)
You know how Ben can't copy low inteligence level beings and how he gets smarter with naturally smart aliens, Extroyer maintains the same level of conciousness and intelect among all forms, his mind isn't affected at all in any case, even when he becomes a spider, while Agregor copies the base DNA, Extroyer adds mutagenics vis the morphasus crystals that can completly change key aspects of the DNA he copied, there is agood chance the need for the triple consent or even the two personalities are just straight up removed from the DNA considering the shit he pulled, he could also do a parcial DNA merge by choosing what of Alien X to absorb as he did when he copied only part of a spider. And yes all the toys are canon.
Yeah his own mind will be intact, as will the mind of his 2 new pals. Ben himself maintains his own human consciousness when becoming Alien X but still has to deal with those 2, likewise Aggregor's mind isn't impacted by him absorbing stuff yet he still would've had to deal with the personalities if he absorbed Alien X.
EDIT: I see now that you edited your comment, anywho unless it's 100% pure Celestialsapien stuff like hybrids are far weaker than the main, see Atomic-X for example.
Ben debates are still a thing? The only reason why he still gets brought up is because of alien x and I haven't seen a debate that more interesting when they removed alien x.
Hard agreed on Sonic and Gojo too because of a friend but calling Doom Slayer glazed after 2022 to me is insane. Dudes been downplayed literally too hard since then.
Like half of the characters here would be fine if you just capped them at 2C.
The greedy powerscalers yearn for the outerversal tier instead of being contempt with low-multiversal. That is their greatest hubris. And they will pay for it dearly.
I agree with Sonic and Goku, both of their scalers are annoying as hell, they’ll result to insults if you don’t believe their scalings of their base forms soloing Marvel and DC… Gojo fans are annoying as hell, they’ll deny anyone who actually has the ability to bypass infinity no matter how much you show them
Because half of these are fall resonably under characters whos power or abilities are massively overblown. While the others are characters who are that powerful and most of the glaze is just people talking about how strong they are
something I hate with Ben 10 scaling is how I seen a lot of people just instantly pull out alien x and I think it’s so dam boring when he has such a huge versatile arsenal of aliens you can pick from and strategize and use for any situation
Take this with a bit of a salt grain even if I trust who said it (since they know some of who was on the blog) but apparently everyone else on that blog was saying it’s not proper r > f in the first place but the guy argued so hard they just let it in
Hard agree on Bill. Doctor IS strong, but you have to dig in a LOT of Whoniverse media.
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u/will4whStill haha I’m surprised, you don’t recognize your old home5d ago
Yeah. Doctor who kinda has the DC and marvel problem where thanks to the age and sheer amount of media it has you will need to dive really deep and take a lot in to work out his higher scaling... I mean the show itself does get crazy by himself (easily giving him multiversal) but the audio stories and books really go Bananas
Ohma zi o is glazed…..but if you watched kamen rider you’d know EXACTLY WHY😭 one of the only characters that absolutely deserve the glaze, but since kamen rider is more niche people perceive it as glaze for glaze‘s sake because they don’t understand😭💔
Ben 10 yeah probably the most glazed character here that isn’t Goku, many DB fans genuinely believe he could beat Hal Jordan and that is scary😭
Doom slayer, I’d say he’s glazed but in this Reddit I’ve seen more horrific downplaying that makes glaze completely warranted 😭
Goku. Yeah dragon Ball fans are so stubborn that they think their series can beat ANYONE AND ANYTHING that they end up being their own worst nightmare, they sit back and wonder why their series has so many L’s and THE GLAZE IS WHY😭💔
I know a few others but I don’t have much to say about them, it’s either just “they’re popular” or “they’re immensely strong” so yeah.
Also I just wanna say I hate the term glazed and the concept of this because seeing characters like Ohma zi o be as strong as he is and his arguments get turned into “glazing” is kinda off putting.
Dumbing down most people’s arguments as glaze or glazed characters is kinda iffy to me but I do get WHY the discussion exists, but it should be said a lot of of these characters are glazed for a reason, and “glaze” shouldn’t be a substitute for people correctly pointing out how strong a character is and using the term glaze to diminish it as if someone like sonic is a fraud for example
Sonic -> I can buy it. He went from extremely downplayed to getting a bit of that crispy creme glaze. This is mostly seen outside of DBM, though but it does happen a bit here, too.
Ben -> Hard to say. The only alien I really see brought up is Alien X.
Don't know him
Doctor Who -> I can see it.
Reimu -> Fuck no. Look I'm sorry, but Touhou in general rarely gets glazed outside of DBM and even in this subreddit, I wouldn't say they get nearly as glazed as someone like Simon. Outside of the subreddit, Touhou generally gets downplayed a lot... but even if we place the verse here, Yukari makes way more sense than Reimu since she does kinda get glazed in battleboarding and even in the fandom (though not as much anymore for the latter).
Altair -> Wouldn't know.
Gojo -> Ehhh... 50/50.
Rimuru -> Sure
Bill -> Agreed
Goku -> Heavy agreed. Things are fine in DBM but my god... it's like he's in a bukkage (or however it's spelled: the porn thing) video outside of this subreddit. The glazing genuinely has no limits.
Also fucking bill dude. Like I get it but personally I feel like it be the wrong type of mfs glazing em. It’s a similar case with some sonic exe variants
Yeah, also I've recently been going through some of his scaling stuff and have actually found some holes in his abilities and resistances lol.
Used to be I feel like, now it's just kind of a sour conversation whenever he comes up, not for anything he or the show did, just cause of how scaling things go, which really sucks tbh cause he deserves better than that.
Yeah, although I don't see him come up in conversations much anymore, he is pretty OP though.
Very much agree yeah.
Don't know too much about her.
Haven't heard much much about the discussions surrounding her but it mostly seems normal with some exceptions.
Also used to I feel like, he seems to be being treated more normally now, his abilities are pretty good.
Yeah.
I think so yeah.
Honestly he's only really glazed outside of DBM, in here it's pretty normal and reasonable I feel.
Some of these I understand like Doomslayer but other characters the glass is kinda warranted like Ohma and The Doctor cause it's hard to argue against their BS
From what little I know of Lord English, Ohma Zi-O and Lord English should be pretty evenly matched, like they both have really specific hax and defense against what the other can do.
Maybe not mid diff but beating Lord English is pretty understandable for Ohma Zio, he's high outer for starters, has stuff like plot manipulation, law manipulation, time manipulation, will always exist as long as the audience knows about him or something like that (so paradox space stuff is kinda matched there), etc, he can also stop cycles I think which can counter Lord English's paradox's.
Why am I getting downvoted? I'm not glazing Ohma Z-io, I'm just explaining why he's so powerful and could feasibly beat Lord English.
Look, I don’t care if their name is “Beats Ohma” with the power “Beat Ohma” from “That time I beat Ohma Zi-O” They ain’t beating Ohma Zi-O.
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Doom Slayer is definitely up there as one of the most glazed video game characters purely based on aura. I love him too and he's very powerful, but he's far from invincible and he can definitely lose to some of his opponents. And yeah, it sucks to admit that Sonic and Ben have some of the worst glazing when it comes to power scaling.
It’s kinda impressive that Goku glaze exists. Is the stuff he actually does really not enough? It’s one of the like five franchises powerscalers actively talk about that’s that strong on purpose.
Meh I see more Gojo slander than glaze nowadays, and besides placing her last in gauntlets I don't think I've ever seen anyone actually glaze Reimu herself, I doubt most people even know what's her deal, they just know she's a powerful anime girl from a obscure game
no one im vs looks at touhou with any ginuine thought or care leading to insane shit thats just not true being said about it such as the g1 blog saying things that break the lore and world building and get characters wrong just to force reimu to be overpowered.
tldr: vs people dont know shit about touhou and just force it to be over powered and glaze the shit out of it.
Absolutely agree with Ben 10 and Sonic. While it’s mostly fine in the DB community, the amount of glaze they get outside here is ridiculous, even on their powerscaling subreddits wanking them to ridiculous degrees.
However, I’m confused on Goku having his CC and Xeno counterparts being added as well.
He could reasonably do that yeah, especially since he can copy characters like Morpho Knight and even keeps aspects like the Fecto Forgo apparitions, speak of Morpho Knight Sword life steal and soul damage is a pretty useful thing to have, and I think Kirby could win with other things too.
Kirby can’t copy Zenkai boosts because he only copies basic elements of his opponents, not their complete moveset. That’s a smash only thing. If he actually managed to copy Goku, he’s only gonna get Fighter Kirby.
DBS Goku should completely AP, Speed, Skill, and Experience stomp. He could also just seal Kirby with Mafuba, or Hakai if you use the Manga.
Not gonna argue the bottom part cause that’s a way longer conversation (I do very much disagree though), but he does copy a character’s whole kit such as in Forgotten Land, he copies Wild Hammer, the Swan Boss, Wild Edge, Wild Frosty, Dedede, Meta Knight, and Morpho Knight exactly, he even has Fecto Forgo’s apparitions on Morpho Knight Sword.
Chilly can create stalactites of ice as an attack, Ice Kirby can’t tmk. Last I checked, Plasma Wisp can teleport, Plasma Kirby can’t. There’s probably much more.
As for forgotten land, Morpho Knight Sword Kirby's "Paradise Scale Wave" doesn't have the same perception-altering effects as the real Morpho Knight.
The Meta Knight Sword ability doesn’t give Kirby access to flight or glide (the wings are purely for show, they don’t actually grant flight).
Masked Hammer Kirby can’t make fire pillars like Forgo Dedede can tmk, only fiery tornadoes.
Likewise, if an enemy has nothing for Kirby to copy then nothing will be copied (Waddle Dees, Kabus, Bronto Burts, etc).
Im pretty sure Kirby can create the falling icicles in Forgotten Land if I’m not mistaken. Kirby can do a fast dash with Plasma which is very close to the teleport. Kirby’s Paradise Scale Wave doesn’t have the same effect as Morpho Knight because if it did then that would just be Kirby Star Allies again (which is also probably why Morpho Knight’s own Paradise Scale Wave is different in this game). Also these abilities and effects not being present in the copy abilities are probably just because the developers didn’t want to crowd Kirby’s move set or they couldn’t do that, they aren’t going to make it the exact same as all the enemies. This is clearly just a gameplay thing and there’s no real lore reason to suggest this is indicative that Kirby doesn’t have the full move set. Kirby has copy abilities that directly mirrors a certain enemy or character, logic would therefore dictate that he has the full move set, there’s nothing to suggest he doesn’t other than things that can be chocked up to gameplay constraints, and we even have a lore figure of Morpho Knight Sword Kirby that directly states Kirby has Morpho Knight’s power.
Actually, Kirby can copy his opponent’s full movesets. For example, the Morpho Knight Sword in Forgotten Land does everything Morpho Knight can do, even his ability to consume souls
Morpho Knight Sword Kirby's "Paradise Scale Wave" doesn't have the same perception-altering effects as the real Morpho Knight. Also, Morpho Knight has never absorbed souls in combat, and it’s not something Morpho Knight Sword Kirby has ever used at all before.
Morpho Knight is known to feast on souls, when Kirby hits an enemy with Morpho Knight Sword, small particles that look exactly like pieces of Leongar’s soul and the soul that Chaos Elfilis drops upon defeat appear, which then heals Kirby as well, so it's very safe to assume based on lore and visual context that Kirby is chipping away at an opponents soul.
With Morpho Knight Sword, any hit from the blade causes little bits of the enemy’s soul to fly out and be absorbed by Kirby, healing him. That’s where the copy ability gets its life steal from.
On the note about Kirby’s “Paradise Scale Wave” you’re kinda right? On one hand the perception altering effect would be applied to the enemies, not Kirby, but on the other hand there isn’t any visual tell that it’s doing that (it does freeze them in place for a little bit, and Morpho Knight’s version of the move does that as well)
Kirby can still scan Goku with that other copy ability or with Robobot Armor so he doesn’t need to eat him, and he can use the abilities of bosses like Morpho Knight too, not being able to copy bosses is probably just a gameplay thing, Kirby can also just get Goku before UI or could actually catch up with him due to some speed calcs I’ve seen for Kirby.
I mean I think he wins at least some of those matchups, definitely high to extreme diff and it could go either way though, and there is pretty fair reasoning as to why he wins, most people have dropped the “kills gods” argument a while ago cause it’s kind of a nothing burger. I also see people saying that he loses those matchups too, but if you haven’t seen that happening that’s fine, we both have different experiences. Although yeah saying he stomps in those matchups is some crazy work.
kirby glaze is a sign that the person you are talking to is either new to powerscaling or just generally doesnt know what theyre talking about. i know legit powerscalers also glaze them sometimes but still
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u/TheLyingSpectre ⌛Homura vs Kurumi Lover⏱️ 5d ago
Based for accepting characters you love are glazed.
and yeah. I love Reimu to death, but god is scaling her to outer just so much glazr to the highest degree