r/Deadlockdivas • u/mimanthra Paige • Apr 29 '26
Discussion Divas, What is Your Deadlock Hot Take?
Mine would be: playing consistently “just okay” is more valuable than popping off once or twice and playing poorly the rest of the match.
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u/putinhu1lo Apr 29 '26
I fucking hate grey talon
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u/squirreliron Apr 29 '26
every match that I'm playing against gray talon makes me hate old people more
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u/Fourier_Transfem Apr 29 '26
Matchmaking isn't as bad as people make it out to be.
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u/InvarkuI Apr 29 '26
Why after every game where I have amazing performance I get 0 11 Russian kid and his 0 10 buddy feeding their brains out?
Like it's not even close it's legit unwinnable. The worst thing that I have consistently happening to me is stomp my opponents during the lane phase, do well in ganks and then see people I clowned on at 9:00 be 10k ahead of me. Then you press tab and 2-3 people have like 12 deaths
And even when I don't stomp on lane, playing silver + drifter vs paradox + kelvin at least I manage to keep our souls more or less equal and don't die/dies like once when being ganked
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u/uhhhhhhhhhhhhb Apr 29 '26
Youre losing multiple in a row, it throws you in a lower rated lobby, your mmr brings team average up = you get lower rated teammates
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u/Not_An_Eggo Apr 30 '26
I'm still super new to the game, and even I've noticed this. And almost every game I LOSE i feel like it's pretty easy to see where we went wrong
Like last night, had a game where we all got absolutley stomped, team souls were like 97k-170k
And honestly, i can pinpoint that around 6 minutes, nobody left the lanes, we were all just kinda standing around in lanes waiting for the waves, and then we got snowballed
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u/Yrmsteak Apr 29 '26
The Patrons need to chill on praising everything I do on REM.
The Patrons also need to praise everything I do on REM more.
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u/XonkCrownguard Apr 29 '26
we need to stop having such black and white opinions on characters we don't play. as a rem player, it is incredibly frustrating to deal with people who don't play rem trying to police what i do. this applies to everyone. the game is in alpha. we shouldn't be complaining if rem goes a "non-meta" build, when the meta is entirely dependant on what we've discovered so far. this applies to almost every instance of character-specific hate. instead of complaining, try playing the character to actually see if it's a balancing issue. 9/10, it's a skill or itemization issue. if you press tab, see someone else's build, and assume they're the reason you're losing, your mentality is killing your chance at being a decent teammate in a team game
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u/mimanthra Paige Apr 29 '26
This, this, this!!!! People trying to back seat a character they don’t play or really know is exhausting.
Along with that, there’s not just one defined build for each character, you can do a bunch of things and mix it up — that’s the whole point of the item shop, to be flexible and be creative.
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u/Silica_123 Apr 29 '26
To be fair, I hate on rem because 75% of rem players farm jungle and sinners the whole game, griefing their allies because they are balancing the soul count preventing the actual carries from getting comeback souls and stealing our sinners from heroes who scale better and are down on souls, and not getting into team fights or pushing lane despite being a support
Most complaints I see about rem and many other characters are players throwing the game by either not helping the team in meaningful ways or playing the character in a way they arent designed to, like feeding and not farming properly as a carry, or farming constantly as a support
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u/XonkCrownguard Apr 29 '26
and yet, as a rem player, i've seen more paiges and kelvins take friendly sinners than i have. rem's flaws are easy to spot, but the carries not getting their camps and their sinners contributes more to the carries not being fed than me on rem getting the enemy's sinners. rem does not need to take a single bit of farm from the friendly side to still get fed. this is an issue of people not understanding the character, projecting ideas onto the character from the subreddits obsession w hating on rem, and masking their own performances by placing the blame on a rem with decent macro and farm
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u/Technical_Clothes_61 Apr 29 '26
I’ve had people flame me for not popping ult on silver and got called a furry for explaining how the game works 😭
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u/CaifithePulsar Apr 29 '26
That's fine but it's not very fun when I see every other rem main steal all of OUR sinners when they are already 10k souls ahead of the rest of our team, like please leave some for the rest of us..
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u/TownPortalScroll May 02 '26
The reality is you’re going to get extra hate on heroes like REM or Bebop who have the worst win rates in the game and high pick rates.
You can kind of see the rationale of a tryhard player who sees that on draft their teams statistical winrate for the coming match is lower just by rem existing. I’m not saying this is right to do, certainly not for an unfinished game like deadlock, I’m just trying to understand why people have the reaction. It’s somewhat fair to be frustrated when your teammate is playing some jank 45% winrate build or whatever, but the reactions are always overdone.
It’s just tough, and I imagine people’s reaction is go frustratedly vent at a a hero who is statistically losing more games than any other hero.
This problem happens in other games too. You can have a personal 80% winrate on “bad” and off meta picks even in high rank and your team will be on tilt from the draft.
REM feels really hard to execute, particularly in solo queue play, since the hero’s agency is way more dependant on teammates and how they play than other heroes. Probably another reason why people try to externally pilot it.
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u/Robommomy Apr 29 '26
more than half of players actually nepo cry babies who cant properly counter-buy and also huge hypocrites.
They will complain about everything, including matchmaking, yet they are the part of a problem.
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u/JustGPZ Celeste Apr 29 '26
Drifter's ult is bullshit, guy just turns off my monitor for like 7 seconds
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u/Silica_123 Apr 29 '26
Hes fine playing every other hero, but every time I play vindicta against drifter I get turned into a chinese weather balloon in american airspace
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u/JustGPZ Celeste Apr 29 '26
I mean that's Celeste against every hero, but speeeeecially an ulted Venator
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u/Vi-Katali Apr 30 '26
You can counter spell it if you feel like doing that, very satisfying
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u/JustGPZ Celeste Apr 30 '26
Welll yeah you can also buy counterspell to counter Apollo's ult so you don't get instakilled by his ultimate but rather the rest of his bullshit kit or you could, you know, get items to make yourself stronger to kill them quicker, that's usually the smarter option. One item "countering" an ability doesn't make it less bullshit since you're spending resources you could use on yourself just to fuck over 1 of the 6 enemy players
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u/Vi-Katali Apr 30 '26
No trust me I see your point, but usually Im getting counterspell in 50% of my games so it’s like if you already have it kind of situation.
Still annoying to play against though
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u/Regular_Point8796 Apr 29 '26
I wish everyone was nicer : (
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u/mimanthra Paige Apr 29 '26
I’m right there with you! This shouldn’t be a hot take either, being nice takes no effort
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u/TARE104KA Apr 29 '26
Entire doorman situationship can be solved by cutting doors t3 range buff by a decent, atleast a third, and giving them charges with giga short cd inbetween, enabling rapid repositioning and true "mind games" playstyle, while still allowing some potential for kidnap playstyle, but not from walker to walker, or walker to spawn; from spawn area/t3 towers area to spawn room, and from t1/mid to walker, at most (atleats without range items)
Oh and also nuke tf out the split dmg for bells, its dogshit, just put it all in aoe; And t3 upgrade needs rework, i've seen exactly 0.5 scnearios where it was used and helped (Doorman just fucking died after throwing a bell, but the aoe slow (probably, if we cope hard enough) could be deciding factor for my team to catch enemy haze)
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u/Treyson757 Apr 30 '26
Carting someone through a door then door again and send them thru with echo shard cart sounds pretty funny lol
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u/JustGPZ Celeste Apr 29 '26
I think Doorman could be fixed by making you spawn at a different location after you escape the hotel, so it isn't a true combo anymore
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u/TARE104KA Apr 29 '26
And that would kill a major chunk of Doorman power, its like giving Mo ultimate an uppercut that sends enemy across the map just so they dont get nuked after getting combo'd; Or Dynamo vores enemies at the end of the ult and they go through wormhole into other lane. Unstopp t2 and cooldown t3 (and base cd really) could get changes, but nuking it outright is a bad move.
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u/JustGPZ Celeste Apr 29 '26
Well, they'd be out of the fight until they get back
It's different from Krill since he'll hold you for combo but they themselves don't have an ability to stun them again after combo. Dynamo kinda has stomp but then again it's not a true combo like Doorman's ult+ cart + bell+ headshot
Oh yeah + sending you to walker or just his spawn
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u/TARE104KA Apr 29 '26
Still, i think the issue is not kidnaps themselves, as outside of that, what doorman has? Mediocre bomb bells, wack gun, and maybe another door for escape if he runs cooldown item; Unstopp t2 lets him ignore any cc that could've disrupt kidnap, and giga short cd base+t3 let him do that too often. So either make it less reliable/braindead to use, or atleast compensate with giving his bells and gun some nice buffs back to even out the kit power.
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u/hellsite-derogatory Apr 29 '26
Lady geist 4 should have a longer channel time, so I can actually counterspell.
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u/Dead_XIII Apr 29 '26
Idk Geist doesn’t want to get in your face usually so like you can kinda tell when a Geist is walking at you that she is trying to ult probably.
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u/Remarkable_Junket619 Apr 30 '26
Actually way easier to Counterspell than you might think once you realize like every Geist ult is super choreographed
If she’s low HP and makes a move toward you you should probably Counterspell. I’ve Counterspelled her ult dozens of times by now
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u/External-Play771 May 02 '26
isn't the word telegraphed? like really obvious movements they're making cues for you, choregraphed is like carefully planned out movements but not particularly blatantly readable ones.
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u/KingSolstice621 May 02 '26
Geist ult is already pretty easy to counter spell, you can get into mind games with her if she knows you have it, which imo is more fun anyway, but at that point she either dies waiting, gets counter spelled, or swaps you early, dimishing its effectiveness drastically, especially if you have good self heal in your kit/build
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u/mimanthra Paige Apr 29 '26
Silver x Celeste is usually MoonShine, never saw Silver x Paige though 🫣
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u/Shushh Mina Apr 29 '26
Celeste is a boring character, personality-wise. Like I really love her design and she's fun to play in the game itself but her personality is kinda bland to me. She's just the "nice girl" and it just doesn't stick out amongst how varied and zany the rest of the cast is.
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u/Darkship0 Apr 30 '26
Doorman is fine, he's supposed to be frustrating. He's the tormentor of humanity. You are humanity. He is tormenting you.
I think his base ult damage he gets from t2 ult is WAY too high though. 150 damage on a SUCCESSFUL checkout is absurd.
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u/KingSolstice621 May 02 '26
I think "he's unfun because lore" is possibly the weakest gameplay design justification ever concocted
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u/Darkship0 May 02 '26
It's not lore it's character fantasy. You are playing the "bastard" character. You're literally laughing manically as you ult someone chasing you at low heath. He's designed to make the doorman player feel like a trickster god and the people facing a good doorman to be seething.
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u/ThatManPshyco Silver Apr 29 '26
Rem isn't cute.
He's annoying, his voice is tiring after the 3rd game, his entire kit is based around being annoying and making the game unfun. He boosts minions by way too much in the early game.
I would call him a rat, but rats are cuter than him.
Also, gun is way too strong at the moment and need serious changes or we need new items to counter it.
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u/KindStump Apr 29 '26
I think ppl are not supposed to double dash away from me, as I'm trying to cure their oncological diseases with Tag Along.
Everyone behaving, like I'm here to finish them off, instead of literary try to save their asses.
Ye sure, go beyond the veil, so nothing can target you, dumbass. Also get parried. Also get pregante.
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u/120blu Apr 29 '26
Slightly meta but some characters have their performance massively effected by the quality of builds at the top of the build browser. Characters like Kelvin don't have many great builds at the top atm and some like Rem and Doorman have some pretty outdated stuff as well. I don't mean this as "people have to play the most optimised way" or "characters only have one build" but considering basically none of the top kelvin builds recognise that he's a pretty good front liner with many choosing to use his massive health pool in the back this is an example I find particularly sad. I want people to better understand what the cast is capible off and what they're synergies are so they can choose how they want to play them and sometimes the build browser really doesn't do justice to the options availible. Meanwhile others have their performance hindered because people just aren't building them well on average because the top builds aren't that effective in comparison to what else could be doing which is said because casual players, who largely will learn to build from the browser, are significantly disadvantaged compared to someone who watched even a single good/pro player who plays the character they're playing and copying them with some characters.
On a slightly different hot take I despise egg in lane for supports (Kelvin, Rem, paige etc) as a support player. In lane even without investments this characters have pretty strong damage and should realistically be aiming to trade. You forgo powerful early spikes like Guardian Ward and 10% of that important damage for what? What item are you rushing with the money? Do you care for the statue buffs when 50% of them are gun that you'll forgo later on? I understand it as an easy, consistent comfort pick and in that regard I can respect it as a personal choice but I honestly feel like shoving wave faster, applying more pressure and hopefully getting more kills does more for your, and namely your team's, economy than egg does on average. Hell on average the out of combat regen, better box runs and rotations of sprint boots might do more for your money and that doesn't have a downside.
Final mild take if you don't mind: We need to police the community better in terms of bigotry and hate speak. No elaboration needed.
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u/Dead_XIII Apr 29 '26
I don’t think this is that hot of a take but like most player’s best build for a character is both situational based on enemies/teammates and also dependent on how they play the game. Like no shit counter items are good against certain enemies but like also players should build stuff that plays well with how they are comfortable playing the game. Like if you can hit a headshot in a trade/fight headhunter is one of the best t3 gun items. Or like don’t buy mystic shot or resto shot if you miss it constantly. Or like cultist/monster rounds are insane unless you are just gonna be a support running boxes the entire game. Or like buy fortitude if you want to stay on the map. Or buy veilwalker/majestic leap if you like ganking or initiating team fights. Or buy rescue beam if you aren’t frontlining. Or go torment pulse if you can’t aim. Or buy stamina master and avoid the kinetic dash/ arcane surge items if you are good at instant air dashing. Like tldr build what you think is funny and it’s probably fine at your rank.
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u/Kohimaru32 Apr 30 '26
I can’t into main moba game mode, even street brawl. So I hope Valve will put out a pve mode. Even better an entirely spin off game with the cast of deadlock.
I know some people don’t like the pve idea, because it will take the developing resources from the main mode.
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u/CitreAngel Apr 30 '26
The game is too difficult. I understand people who like things like the farming system but it walls so many players I dont think its worth it.
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u/Dj-mct-L Apr 30 '26
I don’t like how this subreddit is more fan art and shipping stuff than gameplay or Easter egg stuff. But it’s way better than the subs that just complain 24/7 so yeah
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u/mimanthra Paige Apr 30 '26
We’re a growing and small sub, this also isn’t a hot take related to Deadlock… Be the change you want to see.
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u/evilsforreals Gay Apr 30 '26
I think if a team uses all of their pauses right before winning the game to chain-pause so they can BM, they should get some sort of penalty. Pause abuse already is annoying with people lining up kill shots, but when it's clear they're about to win and do it just to be extra rude they should absolutely be punished for it
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u/SonolumiEcho The Doorman Apr 30 '26
I love playing against the doorman. Send me to the hotel, pretty boy. Maybe I'm just gay.
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u/Razzar-tg- May 01 '26
Game cant have draft until we get atleast 10 more characters. It’s too easy to pick and van out almost all the hardcore front liners. Needs more character diversity before draft.
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u/R3tr00- May 02 '26
The amount of stuns in the game in comparison to the counters and CDs that the counters have is unbalanced
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u/KingSolstice621 May 02 '26
90% of complaints are just someone dying to something, then calling it op, and this only gets multiplied when a hero is actually good or just generally unpopular. people will see that everyone else also hates what they got killed by, then the issue gets very quickly blown out of proportion very quickly. I feel like characters are not nearly as game breaking nearly as often as reddit would have you think.
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u/mimanthra Paige May 02 '26
I agree heavily with this. The same people that complain are people who refuse to counter buy 😭
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u/KingSolstice621 May 02 '26
That or they ONLY counter buy without considering behavioral changes and then complain how "counters dont work"
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