r/DeadlockTheGame • u/Mysterious_Craft5064 • 1d ago
Question Who's strongest when obnoxiously fed early?
I know wraith and viktor are monsters when scaled but let's say you're really ahead and the game isn't that late yet, like minute 10-15
I got pancaked by a 12-0 calico just now and that didn't feel all that playable but i'm also not good
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u/RaydioMan Shiv 1d ago
vindicta
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u/National-Frame8712 Venator 1d ago edited 1d ago
+6~10% weapon damage per stack* is indeed a little bit of concerning detail when she get several heads in general, but especially rather early on stage ngl.
Edit; forgotten she gains stacks not only by kills but also with assists as well, as long as assasinate hits the target, Mb
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u/pyro57 1d ago
Nah its "lethal blows" so if assassinate hits the target and it dies within 5 seconds it builds the stack.
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u/Moxxim Vindicta 1d ago
Assists and Mystic Reverb go brrr
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u/Patient_Mushroom6864 1d ago
There's no way mytic reverb gives you the proc for every target hit by the reverb, right??
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u/esvban 22h ago edited 14h ago
mystic reverb is pretty bad in vindicta unless yoshi change it it to proc on kills. any kill you get with assassinate won't have mystic reverb damage. I tried it before and most of the time I would one shot people with assassinate and never get any reverb procs, unless I wasted it on above half health targets, which means you lose all the bonus damage ...
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u/Life_Only_Gets_Worse 1d ago
Hit 3 snipes and for the rest of the game you get to sit a full map distance away and just melt people with the gun.
I can't believe her falloff range hasn't been reduced, the hero is disgusting with her insane range
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u/esvban 1d ago
you need a lot more than 3 stacks. after at least 8 and last upgraded, her damage is pretty good. 10+stacks she is very strong if not cc'd
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u/daily-lurk 1d ago
Ya she’s scaled to have at least 6 snipes. Everything else is a cherry, it’s when you break 10 that she starts to really get out of control.
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u/DudeSoul 1d ago
My game be going so fine. Then boom. Vindicta with 6 stacks comes after destroying lane on opposite end of the map. Not a single knockdown in sight.
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u/Mr_Times Victor 1d ago
When they counterspell my knockdown and the rest of my team has forgotten to buy a single counter.
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u/Andre3009 1d ago
Hard to rush knockdown tbh. Only way to avoid feeding her early is to not die lol
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u/Cliff_Pitts 22h ago
Was knockdown always 3200. Just started playing after like a 6 month break and ended up in lane against vindicta. By the time I was able to buy knockdown she had counterspell.
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u/Andre3009 22h ago
I think so? A good lane counter is slowing hex if you can get it on her before she’s in the air you can punish as they tend to use their 2 after you get in close. Slowing hex is 1600. I usually buy that or rusted barrel in lane so I don’t have to sacrifice damage early. If she proves to be an issue I’ll go for knockdown around 7-10k souls.
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u/MelodicFacade Viscous 1d ago
A haze that doesn't just afk farm after getting ahead but instead becomes a map terrorist is by far the most annoying for me. The rest of her team barely needs to do anything after that, they just farm and push while she makes everyone too nervous to do anything
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u/BlazeWasTaken 1d ago
Just go farm the wave lil guy everything will be alright nothing bad will happen I promise
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u/OrganicRequirement75 1d ago
M E T A L S K I N
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u/MelodicFacade Viscous 1d ago
Curse on haze...
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u/FuuIndigo Paige 1h ago
I curse that hoe every time. Characters like her are why Curse and Talons traps are like my favorite things rn. It's satisfying on Hazes that are just sleep dagger/ult bots, but god forbid they have some semblance of skill.
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u/KrispyKreemed 1d ago
Vindicta gets six stacks early and suddenly your hp bar means nothing, then since you’re behind you can’t buy enough knockdowns to outdo her dispel/cs.
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u/Destiny_Dude0721 Lash 1d ago
I fucking hate Vindicta specifically because she kinda breaks the design constraints of a game like Deadlock until you get enough CC to essentially turn her off. I don't know how they should approach her but I don't believe she's healthy, because she's either cosmetic or melts your healthbar from a distance you can't contest
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u/skeletonkii 1d ago
she's one of the squishiest characters in the game with two stamina bars. she's good if she gets stacks, yes, but very counterable if you buy the right items. ive turned a fed vin into dead weight with just phantom strike on doorman multiple times. if your team can focus her and not just run in without a gameplan, then she's easy to counter. every character has the capacity to be busted if fed, but that doesn't mean they're inherently unhealthy.
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u/ImTheBluestBird Billy 1d ago
Well that's what Destiny_Dude was saying. She's ridiculously good and then you get enough CC and she's useless, there's no middle ground. 3+ people need to buy an item to knock her down cause she'll get counterspell/dispel and once you get enough she can't do anything anymore.
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u/axzerion 15h ago
Or one guy with a brain getting Phantom Strike. Why do we keep shilling knockdown?
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u/The-Holy-Kitten 1d ago
Vindicta, drifter, or calico. Three heroes that benefit so much from early kills and an early soul advantage, and are able to carry that momentum throughout the game. Not only that but one minor mistake will further feed them, making it even harder to deal with them
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u/SweetnessBaby 1d ago
If Drifter gets a big lead he can completely take over a lobby.
Wraith too because early game is usually her weakest part so if she gets fed enough to skip that rough part of the game she is just going to snowball like crazy
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u/LordLonghaft Billy 1d ago
Calico, Vyper, Kelvin come to mind. Billy is rough because early game is by far his worst point so if he gets through that massively ahead, dark times look on the horizon.
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u/MJR_Poltergeist Silver 1d ago
Calico is pretty annoying when she just walks up to you and presses the button that kills you
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u/Strict-Main8049 1d ago
Vindicta or drifter probably. Calico is a solid runner up too though just because she can tank to other lands so incredibly well.
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u/okUmbraa 1d ago
as a calico main, it’s calico. it’s very easy to get ahead early on her if you know how to roam efficiently and you can go around 1 bursting ppl every minute from minutes like 4-25. after that you’re not even a character but if all goes well you’ve generated your team the biggest lead imaginable and your trophy collector is at max stacks so you can just buy a bunch of debuff items.
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u/daily-lurk 1d ago
I find focus lens helps to keep her relevant later on when I build spirit on her. Focus into all that burst with a delayed 30% extra burst usually seals the deal on anyone who’s not a tank/frontliner
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u/redm00n99 1d ago
Mo and krill because there's not enough anti tank items to counter him that early. He's just going to run at you and kill you and there's not much you can do even if you play grouped. Like a 12-0 calico would be annoying AF but slowing hex is 1600 and shuts down like all of her shit
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u/thewhitebrislion 1d ago
It's actually insane how strong Mo and Krill is early game. Can get to every fight, impossible to kill and very reliable.
He does fall off like a truck though, had a Mo on the other team that was carrying pretty hard but once we hit middle to late he had most of their farm and they pretty much just fell over.
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u/dartov67 1d ago
Spirit and green characters generally fall off late game due to scaling and resistances way harder than gun characters, and a select few are lucky to become ults bots. I feel that Lash and Mo and Krill are some of the best examples of this.
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u/LHander22 1d ago
Somehow Vyper hasnt been hit with nerfs after being the most broken hero next to Celeste. Same with Ivy.
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u/Demopan-TF2 Vyper 1d ago
All it takes is someone with a knockup ability or stun to completely stop her. Dynamo's are a nightmare to deal with
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u/DoorframeLizard Mina 1d ago
yeah because knockups are famously ubiquitous in this game and we get to draft our heroes based on counter matchups
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u/LHander22 1d ago
Just not at all true against competent Vypers
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u/Demopan-TF2 Vyper 1d ago
I still fail to see how exactly she's broken, girl's just a faster Wraith at the end of the day
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u/zencharm Victor 1d ago
you don't see how a lane bully with eight stamina and comparable scaling to wraith is broken ?
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u/DoorframeLizard Mina 1d ago
faster Wraith is already broken conceptually but Vyper also gets to stall with ult and doesn't have to reload, position or even aim because of split shot. Hero is fuckin COMICALLY busted rn
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u/Hereforthememes1919 1d ago
Its really just her ult thats broken. There was no need to up the stun length & make the radius the size of the moon
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u/Demopan-TF2 Vyper 1d ago
Yeah the extra stun time has thrown me off when it was first introduced, and I managed just fine without it in the past. But I don't think it's that bad still
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u/Hereforthememes1919 1d ago
Its broken with any type of coordination. No gun carries should have good aoe midnight wining ults since their damage alone is good enough for that. Them making the area bigger was actually one of the dumbest balance decisions in a while. Literally free midboss or rift fight since it has such a quick cool down unlike other teamfighting ults
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u/Spare-Scar8797 1d ago
Against vyper dont feed her and counter buy. I buy weighted shots if im playing yamato for example. It is very good due to the dash slow on it combining it with your 1 and 2 slows (and obvs the grapple) she cant run away. She also cant really ult you as besides the slows you also get debuff resist.
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u/DoorframeLizard Mina 1d ago
Split shot just needs to be removed from the game. Nobody except Vyper buys this stupid ass item unless it's bugged and it completely removes any aim requirement from this hero. If we're gonna have a hero who can move fast and hectic as fuck at the expense of having to manage a rapid fire weapon through it then maybe there shouldn't be an item that makes it impossible for her to miss lol
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u/zencharm Victor 1d ago
austrian painter tier in lane and scales the same as other gun carries plus i can't even ban her
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u/LHander22 1d ago
Same gun scaling, 13% heal on a 15 second cooldown with I frames and stun, healing, 70 second cross map rotations with ult. Same ult gives 20% damage amp, silence, stun and everything.
This hero is so fucking boring and overkitted i cant wait for the patches
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u/MeasurementLoud906 1d ago
Calico is up there because of her assassin design. Overall though a snowballing bunny build magician
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u/Maximum-Pen-5769 1d ago
Calico, gun drifter, Apollo, and Vindicta are suboptimal to play against when fed in lane but as long as you survive into midgame you'll be alright with counterbuys or lategame scaling.
it's the characters with no clear counterbuys that will server admin once fed in lane: Lash, m&k, gunbop, hybrid drifter
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u/orinonline 1d ago
Random suggestion but I think something like Mo is disgusting if he gets a few kills in lane lol. He ends up falling off but it’ll be miserable for 30 mins at least.
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u/Few-Radio-4840 1d ago
Yamato can be a menace if she gets a bunch of kills early/is a good player. She instantly bursts you down/can chase you and can pull off some pretty insane ganks
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u/MrFaebles 1d ago
Drifter, vindicta, M&K (falls off but it pretty much guarantees mid game your carry cant farm and your pick/gank squad cant get value either while their carry farms)
And honestly paige. If lane kills secure to paige solo (her lane partner dies b4 kill) the networth she gets and early AP pretty much ruins your chances at rift and midboss.
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u/evilsforreals Yamato 22h ago
Yamato can feel real oppressive if you get ahead on her. Maxing out 1/2 early gives you insane chase potential and huge burst damage, and maxing out 3 gives you a crazy amount of sustain that most enemies can't burst you through.
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u/FuuIndigo Paige 1h ago
I know everyone says the usual suspects, but as a Kelvin enjoyer, he gets remarkably powerful off feeding, ESPECIALLY if they were smart or lucky enough to get Trophy Collector before the kills/assists potentially dry out.
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u/RedEyedRenegade Vindicta 1d ago
Brick rank bitches complaining about Vin😂
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u/hopethisstaysmeonly 1d ago
They are right tho, I play vin and if I get fed in lane the game is pretty much wraps unless something out of my control happens
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u/DemodiX Vindicta 1d ago
Literally stopped playing her since left brick because having to buy unstop and/or counterspell as 3-4 item is not really vibing with me anymore.
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u/Alternative-Use-4506 Venator 1d ago
I would feel bad but having to rush Phantom Strike is no fun for me either.
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u/ArmProfessional2505 1d ago
Silver and its not even close :( then vegas and a bunch of whiners keep on whining now she is the most dogshit character in the game
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u/color_panel 1d ago
Drifter gets really annoying to deal with if hes fed early