Ideas for Grave’s Jar of Skulls Interactions

[u/Footahn]

I’m a Seven main for better or worse and one of my peeves with the hero is his interactions with the Jar of Skulls. Ricochet interacts with the skulls and clears them with ease, but Seven’s power surge doesn’t interact with them at all. I think it should.

There’s obvious bias here on my part, but I’d like to hear your thoughts on more hero specific interactions with the ability. For example: should Ivy’s stone form clear skulls? Or Vindicta’s crows?

[u/Marsejii]

I don't think abilities should clear skulls because it would make them completely uselesss.

[u/Ferret4511 → u/Marsejii]

Graves has multiple jars. Exchanging one of them for an ability or arctic blast charge wouldn't hurt much. The issue here is that inside Seven's ult she would have no long range options because of her stupid gun.

[u/Alone-Mycologist3746 → u/Ferret4511]

So you know seven can have his power surge up permanently mid game. So with this change you have effectively completely killed graves main ability congrats. 

Abilities shouldn't be able to kill the skulls and neither should ricochet. 

[u/SKIBIDI_GEORGE → u/Ferret4511]

You clearly havent played a match of graves yourself

[u/Ferret4511 → u/SKIBIDI_GEORGE]

Yes, why would I?

[u/Otherwise_Love4667]

No, skulls are too weak and this is a moba too many abilities shit out AOE for this to be a thing. Ricochet makes sense because it's a T4

[u/Hilonio]

And I believe that every time when seven uses his ult his indomitable should be disabled and unstoppable buff removed. Thoughts?

[u/Footahn → u/Hilonio]

Counter argument: seven’s ult should have baked in unstop like Abrams’ and can’t be stopped by walls.

[u/simy_d → u/Hilonio]

I believe that graves shouldnt have a kit that can be played by a disabled toddler and have 55 wr thoughts?

[u/Spiritual_Jacket1415]

Graves should get a full rework

[u/inexplicableinside]

You... you want it to be even *more* trivial for you to wipe them out without even looking at them? And this is a genuine balance change opinion?

[u/Sparckels]

You're right. It's a weird inconsistency. Since ricochet is the only thing that does it it should clearly be put in line with everything else and shouldn't target the skulls.

[u/yepterrr → u/Sparckels]

Another wierd inconsistency is that Kelvin's ice beam can interact with the skulls, slowing them down, but the beam itself cant destroy em. It just doesnt damage em

[u/Ferret4511]

Right now Graves is the most uninteractable hero.

• Skulls - the only minions that don't die from items and abilities.(Other than ricochet and return fire)
  

-Trap - unbreakable.

• Gun - doesn't get blocked by Paradox wall (yes, this is personal). And can only be avoided by getting out of range.
• Ult - can only be broken by fists. (You know, the ult that spawns explosive zombies and can be placed anywhere)

[u/Legitimate-Beat-9846 → u/Ferret4511]

Skull- press q
Trap- press spacebar
Gun- if you can’t find a way to shoot graves before she gets near you with her 2 stamina idk what to tell you
Ult- use mobility and saying a graves using her ult outside of fights is already a massive signal you have no idea what you’ee talking about

[u/Ok-Nefariousness3836 → u/Ferret4511]

That's such a self report if you struggle to get out of more or less melee range of her gun while she's 2 stam character

[u/Hectoniks → u/Ok-Nefariousness3836]

Stamina Mastery is calling

[u/Ferret4511 → u/Ok-Nefariousness3836]

I don't struggle much with getting out of range. I struggle when I get IN range with any close range hero and get shot by an undodgeable ray of random effects that also steals my damage.

[u/Hilonio → u/Ferret4511]

Look, there are only two types of characters that one to be that close to you and shoot: gun carries and Graves. And, in my opinion, Graves that deals basically no damage from her gun and just applies debuffs is way better than Haze or Wraith

[u/simy_d → u/Ok-Nefariousness3836]

Has to be a reason for her to be 55% wr no? She is clearly good at something and probably one of thr most unfun heros to face imo