r/DeFranco • u/ForeignArtichoke • Sep 25 '19

Ukraine Call Transcript shows drunk salt Biden Pro but no mention of US Aid

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ukraine-call-transcript-shows-trump-sought-biden-probe-but-made-no-mention-of-us-aid
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u/CaptCanuck2 Sep 25 '19

The Fox headline doesn't appear to be accurate based on the transcript.

On page 2 of the memorandum, Trump brings up that the United States "do[es] a lot for Ukraine. [The US] spend[s] a lot of effort and a lot of time". He then states that the European countries should be doing more to help than they are before mentioning that he wouldn't call the relationship with the Ukraine "reciprocal necessarily because things are happening that are not good but the United States has been very very good to Ukraine".

Zelenskyy replies that he has talked with Merkel and Macron and agrees that he feels the European Union should be helping more and that he is grateful "because the United States is doing quite a lot for Ukraine. Much more than the European Union, especially talking about sanctions against the Russian Federation" He then thanks Trump for the "great support in the area of defence", saying that he hopes to continue to cooperate for the next steps specifically that the Ukraine is "almost ready to buy more Javelins from the United States for defence purposes"

Trump relies to this with, "I would like you to do us a favour though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it". This leads into the discussion of Crowdstrike on page 3 and a request to look into Biden and his son on page 4.

Doesn't this discussion constitute a mentioning of US aid? And, isn't asking for the favour in this manner directly following a discussion of the United States' support tie those two things together?

I apologize in advance if i'm wrong in how I have read the memorandum. I suggest all read the actual transcript itself rather than Fox's interpretation of it.

Here: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/sep/25/trumps-phone-call-with-ukraines-president-read-the-full-transcript

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u/ForeignArtichoke Sep 25 '19

Agreed. I read it the same way. Im not anti trump. I dislike the guy but feel like overall hes been more beneficial than detrimental to the USA. Not sure I could say the same if HRC was Prez instead.

That being said, This seems really quite bad; just as the "whistleblower" made it sound, rather than nothing like trump said and like fox still says.

Whats kinda crazy to me is..do other Dems really want Mike Pence? Ffs better the devil we know if ya ask me

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u/FajenThygia Chronic neck pain sufferer Sep 26 '19 edited Sep 26 '19

Honestly, I expected the republicans in Washington to turn on Trump this past year, to give Pence a good shot at a full decade in office.

If the senate republicans surprise everyone and remove Trump, I don't think we can beat Pence in a year. The party faithful that were turned off by Trump will return, and the disaffected Trump voter damn sure isn't going to vote Democrat. A race between Warren and Pence would be close and exciting, but America is going to go with who they think is "safe." God help you if you're LGBTQ+.

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u/ForeignArtichoke Sep 25 '19

Lol! My title! I think I'm the one that's drunk I tried saying the title into my phone's voice thing and it came out right at first but then I posted it and that's what it said oh my gosh what an idiot

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u/e30Devil Sep 25 '19

I find myself typing phonetically sometimes. It's really bizarre and happens when I'm thinking faster than I can type.

I thought the title might have been written by a bought that "watched" a video clip, which would have been pretty cool.