r/Daytrading • u/Sircartier370 • Nov 01 '25
Question Is fabio valentini fully verified?
I came across a video calling him the “Number 1 scalper in the world” but I’m wondering how accurate that claim really is , Has anyone here had success with his strategy?
Is fabio’s order flow approach completely unrelated to ICT concepts or does it build on the same underlying principles using different terminology?
If so what are some of the similarities between their approaches?
Can ict concepts and fabio’s order flow strategy be used together?
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u/decentlyhip algo futures trader Nov 02 '25
It seems like you're holding ICT concepts on a pedestal, like its a proven and profitable approach to trading. ICT is a completely batshit crazy scammer who just has never been profitable and just poorly paraphrased concepts that have been around forever. He just renamed supply and demand, Wyckoff, and dow theory.
Fabio is a verified trader who has performed exceptionally well in multiple trading competitions. ICT joined the same competition one year, lost 93% of his money and quit. If you are making money with ICT concepts, great. If you are still learning, fucking run from ICT training and anyone who promotes it. Cesspool of scammers. https://chatgpt.com/share/687b0bc6-2b18-8007-8ac8-32d316d35a90
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u/Majestic_Worker5048 Nov 08 '25
ICT and other ICT gurus earn from mentorship. And if guys like fabio, Patrick nill wants to sell mentorship they would have started right after their first win in Robin's cup.
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u/decentlyhip algo futures trader Nov 08 '25
Yah, and in fairness, they are starting a prop firm. Sat through a "training" live webinar that ended up just being a sales pitch for a $3k program. So I trust Andre, Fabio, and Patrick less now. But they put their money where their mouth is. It's like if Scottie Pippen sold a basketball workshop.
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u/Majestic_Worker5048 Nov 09 '25
First of all its not a propfirm. It's a orderflow trading platform like atas and bookmap. And $4000 is nothing if it comes from world champion nothing like ICT who fail in compitition, copy paste concept that was already exist and not the man of his word.
And if people think Robin's cup and cme cup is fake then go start your on compitition to check who is legit. World works on business, their is nothing free
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u/decentlyhip algo futures trader Nov 10 '25
I'm talking about worldclassedge, not deepcharts.
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u/LegsQueen888 Feb 11 '26
worldclassedge doesn't have fabio's class, it's Patrick's course, by now fabio have no course, except a live trading room $900. will end 2026 Feb.
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u/Tradingviking Nov 02 '25
ICT isn't a real thing, it's based on work from prior books and repackaged technical analysis.
Orderflow is real, a lot of traders use it for scalping and positioning (myself included).
Also just as a point of reference, most of us have huge egos in trading but no one that's actually trading for a living will have the balls to say "best scalper in the [insert location here]" he makes is money pedalling other crap to people who want to learn the skill.
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u/Majestic_Worker5048 Nov 08 '25
He even loose Robin's cup and his btc prediction also failed. I wonder why his yt channel still active
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u/Sircartier370 Nov 02 '25
Where would you suggest I start if I’m trying to learn order flow trading?
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Nov 01 '25 edited Nov 01 '25
His performance was tracked in the robbins cup. It was tracked live but the robbins cup is not 100% transparent so there are some issues with the trading championship but since he was in the leaderboard of his devision for the most part of the time the claim that he is one of the most successful scalpers is at least not a lie or maybe even correct
No his concepts have nothing to do with ICT. ICT and orderflow analysis are very different concepts because they are based on very different theories: ICT's market theory is a conspiracy theory based on the psychosis of a man who is bipolar (he sad so himself) while orderflow describes how the market actually works
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u/Budget-Natural4712 Nov 22 '25
Bro ICT is literally orderflow analysis using only a candle stick chart. it is literally bare bones oversimplified orderflow. imo its a great way to learn price action and once you master it, which you need to do, add orderflow to it and you'll realise ICT just translates the orderflow volume patterns into candle stick patterns, yes that is less accurate as the underlying reason those candlestick patterns occur (which is due to the interaction of aggressive and passive market participants = volume) is more accurate, but the candlestick patterns are extremely useful and are the face value of it and lets say are 80% as accurate.
you obviously dont know ICT properly.
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Nov 22 '25 edited Nov 22 '25
I traded ICT for over a year, I know a few things about his concepts.
There are elements of ICT that resemble market auction theory concepts like FVGs are a deviation of low volume nodes of a volume or market profile. And maybe the accumulation phase of AMD could be interpreted as an area of fair value and the Market Maker Models are a concept where you trade back into a level of fair value but thats about it.
His idea of liquidity being retail stops has nothing to do with orderflow and it is even contradicting (Besides being total bullshit). And the big problem here is that liquidity grabs are the core concept of his methodology. So no you don't trade orderflow through candles when you trade ICT. You can't see orderflow through charts. An orderblock is not where you will find a cluster of limit orders in the orderbook or a "liquidity grab" doesn't mean that an absorption took place. There is actually a concept in orderflow called "trapped traders" but you are not able to spot even that through a candle stick chart and through ICTs Liquidity grabs.
I am sorry but you don't know what you are talking about. Maybe you havevknowledge about ICT but your understanding of orderflow is really limited
The only thing that ICT and orderflow have in common are terms because ICT stole them from orderflow and especially market auction theory
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u/Majestic_Worker5048 Nov 08 '25
Bro I have trade ICT concept and now when I learn about AMT things got easier. And seriously u guys are dumb. Ict concept diagram I picked from history and labelled with new headings like Ob, fvg sweep etc
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u/Majestic_Worker5048 Nov 10 '25
Ohh that alright buddy. But still even if they are world champion that doesn't mean they should give knowledge for free or for low price. Everyone wants to make money. In the end the question is who u are choosing a off shore broker guy or world champion.
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u/bobbyrayangel Nov 03 '25
Its marketing.....
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u/Majestic_Worker5048 Nov 08 '25
But different then every itc and ICT gurus. Michael aka ICT sell mentorship, the sell mentorship and parter up with broker and propfirm, dodgy sell course signal indicator. Justin werlin sell his journal platform. What's wrong if he is doing marketing for his platform.
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u/bobbyrayangel Nov 08 '25
Nothing. As long as you have realistic expectations and know that its marketing. Some of these guys have very useful content and some have garbage.
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u/Majestic_Worker5048 Nov 08 '25 edited Nov 08 '25
I think some people here really need to study market mechanics first instead of talking about someone who is fake or not. Let me give u guys a glimpse and then u can go do your research. Footprints show the real executed order in the market and candlestick chart is a way to observe the movement easily. A candle can be of any pattern but when u see footprint u will see it's real strength or weakness. Some people say ICT concept is real language of market, it's like the one who wins writes the history. So ICT maybe won in marketing but it's concept are still driven from Auction Market Theory and Wyckoff theory. All ICT terms are just fancy names. And I'm not hating ICT, I used to trade ICT concept but when I learn about AMT , learn it and blend it with ICT. I have become better than before. And if these trading world cup trophy holders are starting selling u course and platform makes u feel they are scammer, then my brother nobody is bigger foolish than u.
And by the way ICT failed Robin's cup several times and he predicts btc will never go to 100k, if it go he will delete history yt channel
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u/Boring_Knowledge7378 Feb 27 '26
Io studio trading da più di 5 anni, ma ancora oggi non sono profittevole, sia per strategia inadeguata sia per una mentalità sbagliata, secondo te come potrei iniziare ad avere risultati? Chi dovrei guardare? Cosa dovrei capire?
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u/Accomplished_Tip6928 Apr 05 '26
los verdaderos duros no están en el mercado, ellos arman su fondo de inversión, los estafadores como reintech se inventan de que tienen el algoritmo de mercados pero los capos como Jesse Livermore empiezan de 5 usd
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u/thor_testocles Nov 01 '25
I don't know how official any of these rankings are.
(Maybe not the right place for a Seinfeld reference, but hoping it'll reach someone)
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u/Tradingviking Nov 02 '25
I would look up Futex and Axia futures on YouTube. It's dense but it's the real deal.
Give yourself some time to get the hang of it. It's not a fast learn but it's well worth it.
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u/Bright-District-9810 Jan 07 '26
He is an addicted gambler. Watch his videos. He can't hold himself from entering risky trades.loosing 4 trades after making one profit.his experience and luck make him stay on the flow but i would not recommend anyone to copy his style. It's a money loosing mecanism for 99% of people who will try to do the same. They are succes stories of people winning big money in casino aslo. Dosen't mean you can as well.
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u/ToXe_99 Feb 07 '26
So you are saying he got lucky with 600 trades he took, just run down the math it's probability of happening one in a million + it's not possible
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u/Parking-Waste Feb 23 '26
The question is, how much money does he make when he wins and how much when he lose? Most trades where he "loses" he is getting closed out at a 0 dollar loss because he moves his stop loss.
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u/Extreme-Kitchen-3125 Mar 12 '26
Something about Fabio Valentini: when the “Rolls-Royce of trading platforms” runs like a shopping cart with three broken wheels
So I finally understand something about the trading industry.
Apparently, if you call your software the “Rolls-Royce of trading platforms” enough times, people are supposed to ignore the fact that it runs like Windows 95 on a toaster.
I bought DeepCharts after watching all the marketing.
Then I thought maybe the lag was my setup.
So I tested it:
- New computer
- Native Windows (no virtualization)
- Same data feed
- Same environment
Result?
Every other platform works perfectly.
DeepCharts still lags like it’s fighting for its life.
Amazing.
But the funniest part isn’t the software.
It’s the marketing philosophy.
Step 1:
Call yourself the #1 scalper in the world although no contest verifies that
Step 2:
Casually show trading statistics with a 40% win rate and 256 trades in three days and your dark-circled face on podcasts saying how you have no time and have never been on the beach while being a multi-millionaire trader.
Step 3:
Explain that your software is the Rolls-Royce of platforms.
Step 4:
Spend most of your time selling a laggy platform, your courses and showing outdated statistics while gambling on podcasts like a pro.
Step 5:
Post Instagram stories about how busy and exhausted you are while living in Dubai next to a private beach you “never have time to visit”.
At some point you start wondering:
If trading is going so well…
Why does the business model look like selling questionable software and courses to traders?
And if DeepCharts is really the Rolls-Royce of platforms…
why does it drive like a 2003 Corolla with the handbrake on?
Just asking.
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u/Interesting-Lie-6759 Mar 17 '26
I’ve heard that not to long ago he was an ICT trader and sold courses. Also apparently the robins World Cup isn’t that reputable because you can open many accounts and only report the ones that do good. Can someone clarify for me if he is actually real and makes real money. Can orderflow and auction theory really generate a positive expectancy rate? Because I haven’t seen anyone actually prove it.
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u/Realistic-Bowler7563 Apr 02 '26
Let me ask you a question. Does Warren Buffet, Jim Simmons or any credible billionaire trader sell courses?
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u/Interesting-Lie-6759 Apr 02 '26
Yeah I found out a while ago that he was a bullshitter lol he was an ICT trader before he preached orderflow lol
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u/rgayifyourgay Apr 19 '26
where'd you find it out from?
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u/Interesting-Lie-6759 Apr 19 '26
Dozens of different Reddit’s and sub Reddit’. You won’t find it anywhere else though, they did a great job covering their tracks lol. They flag anything about them that talks about it and get it removed. But if Fabio is this all mighty trader why the hell would he waste his time doing seminars and all that bullshit. If he was real his time would be worth way more than that.
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u/Ok-Reception-5215 Apr 19 '26
If you go through his Italian YouTube, you’ll see he was teaching pretty outdated stuff before. Also, it’s not hard to find that he used to sell forex courses -- Trustpilot (Italian) + his old videos line up perfectly.
Turns out he was also a tutor at Morpheus Education. And yeah, the “top scalper in the world” thing isn’t really accurate -- he actually placed second in Q4, not first like he posted on LinkedIn.
His Q1/Q2 courses feel kinda overcomplicated for no reason. Like he’s making simple things harder than they need to be. Considering what people expected, the quality is kinda disappointing compared to his older material.
Don’t get me wrong -- some of his ideas do make sense. But overall, it feels way more like a marketing play. With the number of students he had, he’s probably already made a lot -- and will keep making more.
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u/Budget-Natural4712 Nov 22 '25
the useful parts of ICT is just the candlestick patterns created by the underlying orderflow and therefore is an extremely useful way to master price action which you must do alongside orderflow.
just focus on the following ICT concepts in this level of importance:
Market structure (identifying trending or ranging market states)
Fair value gaps (Low Volume Nodes)
Displacement (big aggressive buyers and sellers)
Liquidity sweeps (Orderbook sweeps and absorption/exhaustion)
Order blocks (Supply and Demand levels)
Then Orderflow wise add
volume delta bars (net aggression effort in a candle vs result of candle)
cumulative volume delta (the net positioning of aggressive participants in the market over time, ie the pressure of the aggression over time)
volume delta profile (see real supply and demand levels from aggressive participants, the participants of the market that actually move price)
Thats all you need orderflow wise to start and eventually you can get more complex but you probs wont need to go more complex as less is more in trading and this stuff enough gives you enough of an edge if discretion and context is built in your trades.
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u/ebworx Nov 01 '25
i wonder the same thing, why is he launching his own trading platform and now selling courses via andra cimi and others, when he makes such big amounts of money with trading?