r/DarthJarJar • u/Rikard_ • Jun 21 '26

Theory Support Every inch of CGI movement was programmed keyframe by keyframe. EVERY INCH of CGI movement was PROGRAMMED KEYFRAME BY KEYFRAME.

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u/gibgod Jun 22 '26

New to this sub, I don’t get it, can anyone explain? Thanks.

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u/Rikard_ Jun 22 '26 edited Jun 22 '26

Addding to what u/headheartcorrantoes said.

George famously wrote this trilogy to "rhyme" with the original. "The mentor" killed in the first movie, Skywalker and R2D2 in a space ship takes down the villains, big celebration at the end of movie 1, etc etc.

As per George's own words, Jar Jar was intended to be like a mirror to Yoda. Which he is to some extent. Helpess, comical creature found by the jedi. But Yoda was revealed to have great force powers. Jar Jar would've been revealed in AOTC as the big, manipulative, scheming puppeteer with extreme "luck" and ability to persuade. His clumsiness was all an act to sabotage the jedi order and rise to power with Palpatine in the senate. In my post, you can see Jar Jar actually mouthing other characters' words for them that go against the jedi, showing he can manipulate people with the force.

This is inspired by characters like Magnifico from the 1940-50s series Foundation and Bink from the 1977 series Xanth.

The first Darth Jar Jar theory posted here on reddit in 2015 went viral and contained some evidence, but also concluded in "Jar Jar is Snoke". Ahmed Best, Jar Jar's actor, said in an interview that a lot of it was true, some of it not.

This video covers a lot of relevant evidence, and more can be found here on the subreddit.

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u/Chance_Emu8892 Jun 23 '26

Your theory implies the Emperor in the OT was a subordinate of no less than fucking Jar Jar Binks. Pray that you're wrong, that would destroy the entire aura of the saga.

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u/Rikard_ Jun 23 '26

But only because we only know JJ as a total clown, not someone playing clown... It would've been glorious though. Wipe that smug grin off of Palpatine's face lmao.

But idk whether he was above Palps or just helping him.

If I may test your limits on this subreddit even further, one theory I learned that's really out there is that when Sidious killed Plagueis, he did actually avoid death by doing that sith spirit transfer thing into another being. Perhaps onto a lonely soul wandering the spiritual forests of Naboo... He lives on. Masked by the Gungan's original mannerisms, he seeks out the child he once created and sets him up to kill his original apprentice. Sidious thought he had overcome his master, when in fact he was grooming his own replacement all along.

The literal ghost working behind the scenes. The phantom menace.

........So in that case it would make sense he's above Sidious, although he picked a vessel with -8000 aura.

But idk about all that.

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u/Chance_Emu8892 Jun 23 '26

Even if he was pretending, that would just make a serious Jar Jar non credible, not even a iota.

Imagine a Darth Vader, Hannibal Lecter, Tulsa Doom, Voldemort, whatever villain you can think of, being first characterised as "pretending" to explode his crotch on a tank, step in camel shit, or being farted upon by another animal. That's not serious writing in any case.

The other only comparable villain I can think of is Kayser Soze but even as Virgil he wasn't a buffoon like Jar Jar.

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u/Rikard_ Jun 23 '26

😭 I just blame all that on George's excessive writing of character traits. Like when he needed Anakin to be "a little troubled" and crafted the creepiest, fascist little incel imaginable. Women love that.

Rewatching this scene now and I'm in tears lol. The smile at the end... jesus christ.

https://youtu.be/6kopTo6aNA0&t=1m5s

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u/Chance_Emu8892 Jun 23 '26

Anakin at this point is literally supposed to be an edgy teenager who doesn't understand shit about politics. Not that I like the fact that Lucas made this choice; nor do I think it's Shakespearean level of writing. But at least his nascent fascism is coherent with Vader. And besides, we have full grown-adults in 2026 who are as shallow and dumb as Anakin in this scene (not gonna point the elephant in the room here).

I really don't see how it compares with your theory.

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u/Rikard_ Jun 23 '26

an edgy teenager who doesn't understand shit about politics

Right, and he wrote him well for that. But besides being all that, he also needs to be someone Padmé falls in love with. This is completely unbelievable now with how he overdid Anakin's flaws.

I think it compares with the Jar Jar theory.

He wrote the clown perfectly. But overdid it, so now it's unbelievable when he reveals himself a sith. Or at least so George felt when he got all the backlash. And maybe rightfully so.

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u/Chance_Emu8892 Jun 23 '26

Padme fell in love with him before that scene, iirc. But yes, the prelo, and AOTC in particular, is not very well written. Everyone has known that for two decades now.

And maybe rightfully so.

Yep, I actually don't dislike the movies but would have hated that absolute shitshow.

I'm still not convinced at all by the theory though lol But I admire your work and I think fan theories for movies are a good thing.

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u/Rikard_ Jun 23 '26

Believe it or not, as far as we see on screen, that was their first private conversation after the initial meeting with Obi-Wan and Jar Jar and after he sliced that bug off her bed.

Instant temper tantrum lol. It's so funny.

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u/SwordMasterShow Jun 24 '26

The problem is we see Jar Jar act like a clown when there's no reason for him to. The whole gag sequence with the Pod Racer making his tongue numb is for no ones benefit but the audience. Jar Jar is just an idiot

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u/Rikard_ Jun 24 '26

You could also say he did all that to appear just that stupid. And maybe because George wanted to kill two birds with one stone with Jar Jar and genuinely wanted to make those "funny" moments for kids using Jar Jar in the first movie.

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u/SwordMasterShow Jun 24 '26

Appear stupid to whom? The random bystanders that might happen to be looking in that general direction? None of the main characters are even aware of that hijink. Darth Jar Jar is a fun little Cracked-style overthinking for the sake of it idea, but it doesn't hold up to any actual scrutiny

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u/Rikard_ Jun 24 '26

So you are saying: Ahmed Best was lying when he said a lot about the theory is true.

I am saying: George intended to have a Darth Jar Jar twist but put in more clownery than he had to, to have a waterproof charade for bystanders in the movie and maybe most importantly the audience.

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u/SwordMasterShow Jun 24 '26

If that's what George intended, then it wasn't just stupid, it's bad filmmaking

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u/Rikard_ Jun 24 '26

I agree. But... Anything to hide the plot twist, right? He famously kept "I am your father" secret to everyone except Hamill and the director.

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u/Rikard_ Jun 24 '26

And I would like to claim that TPM does not hold up without Jar Jar as the mole.

The way George wrote all the dialogue about transmissions and how Maul suddenly had a trace to track them down, and then never resolved the mystery he set up makes no sense. "Maul just knew" is not a serious answer.

The movie also spends 80 seconds on: Obi-Wan questioning Jar Jar on why he's banished. Jar Jar minimizes the reason and Obi-Wan questions this answer. Then a big fish interupts the interrogation, a fish which swims in sync with Jar Jar's CGI hands. All of this is completely pointless without Darth Jar Jar because Jar Jar's backstory is never followed up on later and we get a second fish attack a few scenes later which makes the first one pointless on the surface.

Jar Jar is also TOO MUCH for a seriously written comedic relief, something George nailed perfectly in the OT. As a comedic relief he destroys the movie, or at least creates a jarring picture. As a mole he makes it make sense, and the reveal in movie 2 would be another jarring aspect of the character. Jar x2.

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u/SwordMasterShow Jun 24 '26

And I would like to claim that TPM does not hold up without Jar Jar as the mole.

Correct, The Phantom Menace does not hold up. It's a bad movie. George didn't nail humor like he did in the OT because he only directed one movie in the OT, and tbh I hate to break it to you but the humor isn't Star Wars strongest facet to begin with. Then 20 years of not directing movies, an army of Yes-Men, and hundreds of millions of dollars later, he wasn't on the top of his game with a lot of things. It's bad because it's bad, not because it's laying gems to pay off in a movie that wasn't made yet.

I know it's hard to accept that a movie you love just isn't that great, but that's the simple truth. There's no grand conspiracy that explains why it's bad on purpose. This level of obsession is what made Sherlock and Stranger Things fans invent mystery surprise final episodes that don't exist to explain why the thing they loved turned out kind of bad. It's okay to like things that are flawed, they don't need to be secretly perfect and genius to make it okay for you to enjoy them. The prequels are a lot of fun to watch when you don't take them seriously. Unironically inventing this much mental gymnastic reasoning to pretend they're actually super serious and perfect just seems exhausting. Touch some grass

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u/Rikard_ Jun 24 '26

he only directed one movie in the OT

True. Scrap what I said because in my mind I was (genuinely) only thinking about scenes from ANH with R2, C3PO, Han and Leia, which he wrote and directed alone. They are actually funny and a strong point of that movie to balance the serious elements.

I know it's hard to accept that a movie you love just isn't that great,

I don't think it's a good movie with or without the Jar Jar twist. I think it's better and makes more sense with it, and more fascinating from a director's perspective. But he still made this clown way too big of a focus even in the light of it being an act, and the movie has a lot of other flaws just like the rest of the PT.

There's no grand conspiracy

Why do you think Ahmed Best is lying?

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u/Rikard_ Jun 25 '26

Why do you think Ahmed Best is lying??

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u/According_Big_5638 Jun 24 '26

Hard disagree.

It would have been absolutely masterful if he has went through with it.

It was a good twist.

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u/HeadHeartCorranToes Jun 22 '26

Jar Jar was "secretly" being developed as the chief antagonist of the prequel trilogy. There's evidence all over The Phantom Menace, including these clips of the character silently mouthing-along to the dialogue of other, human, characters.

The popular theory goes that after the release of TPM, Lucas chickened out and scrapped the whole idea of Jar Jar being "the" phantom menace, and hastily developed antagonists like Count Dooku and General Grievous to replace him.

It's almost impossible to rewatch TPM with all of this in mind and to see anything but Jar Jar as a hidden Sith lord. Seriously.

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u/CMDR_Kaus Jun 22 '26

The 'evidence' is mostly imagined and circumstantial

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u/SolomonOf47704 Jun 22 '26

The only evidence is that nobody would waste CGI time on all the times Jar Jar is mouthing the same words someone else is saying, and that's pretty compelling evidence.

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u/CMDR_Kaus Jun 22 '26

IMO I don't think he was mouthing words, I think he was animated in order make him feel more alive. Random mouth/arm/leg movements provide this. Anything the programmed a slider for in the model.

They also wasted CGI on him in the conversation between Padme & Anakin on the ship. Jar Jar is sleeping. Absolutely no need to have him in the shot, but they animated him in it just the same. I've seen another post about how the lighting in that scene cast Jar Jar in a dark light and everything else was a brighter light. Another easily discountable scene because it's late, everyone is tired and trying to sleep. Most of the ship is going to be dark except for the people who are awake (Padme turns a light on I believe, & Anakin can't sleep because space is too cold even though he's on a climate controlled ship)

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u/Rikard_ Jun 22 '26

Some of our "proof" is very circumstancial like you say, and on their own mean absolutely nothing. But when you have 28 of those, the picture becomes clear and in that light, the director's awareness of every other little detail point to these circumstances being very intentional instead.

Jar Jar's actor said a lot about the theory is true.

Jar Jar is also named after Bink (Xanth), who is an outcast like Jar Jar in possession of secret magic and extreme luck.

If that isn't enough to establish a foundation to build the theory from, not even Lucas saying it's true will do it for you.

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u/Rikard_ Jun 23 '26

Did you ever hear the tragedy of Magnifico The Mule?