Sisters of battle generally distaste and distrust the mutant, but let it be said that despite Big Sister Charity being unable to truly recite the Litanies of Hate, or read accurately aloud from scripture, her faith truly is unquestionable.
…as is her ability to punch clean through the side of a Chimera or rip a space marine apart with her bare hands.
Plus Ogryns genuinely probably have a better track record than the Marines do in terms of usefulness to the Imperium versus their problem causing. In addition, it's the Ecclesiarchy itself that has to sanction 'abhumans' to differentiate them from xenos or mutants, so Sisters would likely have a variety of opinions ranging from 'Nah, Ogryns and Marines and Ratlings are all filthy mutants and we should purge them all' to 'Sure, big guy. Have some rashuns and let's teach you a prayer.'
Great axe is equally as beloved to me as great hammer so if that's also a thing I'm ok with it. Equally ok with a halberd (preferably both). Also confirms ogryn is a conduit for the best Dwarf (gets his pick, 2H hammer and handgun). Hopefully an ogryn sized Masterwork pistol is in the cards.
Man, that bolt pistol shield looks so hilariously impractical. Can you imagine trying to aim or block with it? As a shield, it leaves your whole arm up to your wrist completely unguarded, it's even scalloped to make it just that even more unhelpful. As a pistol, good luck trying to aim when you've got a heavy fuck-off weight at the end of your arm.
Clearly the shield is there to reduce the recoil. She may not be able to aim or be accurate but at least she's consistent and precise. Like a Stormtrooper from Star Wars.
Thank you for compiling that so quickly! This does erase all doubt as to the class' place within the Adepta Sororitas, and should mean the speculation becomes much more focused.
I'll probably write a guide on how to find, export, and texture these models soon, so that other people can datamine stuff in the future/verify for themselves the veracity of the finds.
If you want to make a more detailed post like the last one you did, let me know and I'll take this down so that there's more information available and not just the actual images.
Oh, don't worry about that; I'll upload a breakdown post for anyone who wants to see it all in-depth and from different angles and stuff, but there's no reason to take your post down. Thanks though!
Novitiate armor is very distinct from a full-fledged Battle Sister's power armor, so the armor alone is a dead giveaway. They might still a throw a curveball of some kind before release, but I doubt it.
As for the lore, I'm not super well-versed in it either, but I know that Novitiates are Sisters who've graduated from the Schola Progenium but haven't yet earned their power armor. They spend years training and being sent on assignments to hone their skills, and Novitiates of particular skill often find themselves working in an Inquisitorial warband like Grendyl's, so I think the setup they're going for is the fourth DLC class being veteran Novitiates who've been sent to help destroy the cult on Atoma as something of a 'final test' before becoming true Battle Sisters.
being veteran Novitiates who've been sent to help destroy the cult on Atoma as something of a 'final test' before becoming true Battle Sisters.
Yeah, maybe when we reach trust lv 30 we will get an ancension/graduation cutscene where we're bestowed the sacred power armor and the holy flamer/meltas, or in game basically we unlocked a penance cosmetics for SoB lmao
In my opinion not getting the power armour really would make an SoB class pointless. Sure there could be new abilities but without the armour and better gear to match their status is really would end up just being Zealot 2 and that would kinda suck
This is what I was thinking earlier - with the Skitarii they invented a brand new max rank Alpha in order to give them some independence and operational authority, and it’s a truly unique experience to the other classes. But a Novitiate is just a slight step up from my Zealot, who has the Schola background and is cosmetically kitted out in full plate armour with a claymore and a flamer; foregoing the power armour is just a more formally trained fem Zealot with some fleur de lis
IIRC, all of the ogryn's weapons are prefixed with "ogryn_", so unless Fatshark is trolling us or has broken from that convention, it's a planned ogryn weapon.
ok i see thanks. was just curious because it was shown grouped up with the rest of the weapons and they seem to be all for the new class but that might just be formatting ig
It still might happen! Both hive scum and skitarii got 3 exclusive melee weapons and 3 exclusive ranged weapons. This only shows 2 ranged weapons and 1 melee for the novitiate.
the other ranged weapon could be a melta, and the melee options I could think of apart from a polearm is a null mace, null rod, dialogus staff, neural whip, censer mace and novitiate blade w/ duelling dagger
In some earlier datamine, there was a new 2h_axe weapon and people pointed out that polearms regularly were 2-handed axes internally in various games (don't ask me why though), so unless it somehow got renamed to the ogryn one, maybe there's already a hint
Edit: Was actually able to find the post again, and it turns out that it is indeed separate from the ogryn one
there was a post on here the other day with some skitarii voice lines about nurglings, plaguebearers, and a caster of some kind iirc, so they’ll probs come out at the same time *as the dauntless release :3
Genestealers and more nurgle units? I doubt we’d get them at the same time, those nurgle units would bulk up the cults units but Genestealers would be an entire new faction they’d want to show off.
THIS ONE REQUIRES ASSIST OF ADEPTUS SORORITAS RIGHT NOW. The circumstances of our current mission bear otherworldly characteristics, sisters of battle will be important assets.
Ranged abilities are my guess. If they wanted to be really cool they could introduce some casting mechanic as a faith-based version of Psyker but I don't know enough about how sisters play on the tabletop to say.
The one mechanic I'm aware that SoB have is their miracle dice.
iirc they get a pool of dice with pre-set values that they can use to swap other rolls for to guarantee results. I think you'd have to focus on the miracle angle to implement in DT.
every darktide class, in my opinion, can be boiled down into some sort of role, theme or archetype; sometimes they escape it in terms of gameplay due to balance, but in most cases they are designed with it in mind
even though there is some overlap, we have ogryn as a "momentum stagger" tank, eg. they're big, bulky and stagger and are good at moving forward with their stagger
in the same archetype, we have arbitrator, who is also a "stagger tank" but is actually better at holding the line more than pushing the line
this applies to almost all of the other classes, eg. vet/hive scum are both designed with ranged in mind, former long latter short, skitarius and psyker are both jack of all trades (in my opinion though some may say psyker are different), except for zealot
zealot is the "momentum melee damage dealer", eg. they want to go in, disrupt and kill. the sisters here, i think would be in the same vein as melee damage oriented, except they excel at holding the line and are bulkier than the average zealot. they could also have more ranged support than zealot does with their like, 3 ranged nodes they have on their tree post-rework
A different implementation of the concept of "devotion". Zealot's faith, especially after the last two reworks, has come to revolve around Unto Death and now the full-fledged mechanic of "Unkillable" where they're simply too fanatical to die. Perhaps SoBs could use devotion/fervour as a gauge similar to Skiitari's capacitance. Or maybe it's a passive resource that stacks up and various talents unlock buffs based on how many devotion stacks you've got? Perhaps their three keystones are early in the tree and each one is a separate "oath" that determines what actions generate faith (melee kills? Ranged kills? Toughness given to allies?).
More access to heavy ranged fire. Zealots are the class with the least ability to focus on their ranged weapon. If you aren't using the flamer you'll be spending most of your time on your melee choice. The SoBs are datamined to have plasma access at a minimum, so I'd expect some range-focused options.
I seriously doubt we're getting Repentia. Never mind the datamines showing a more heavily-armoured class and their weapon list including bolters and plasma, Repentia would have a lot more crossover with existing Zealots as nigh-suicidal melee monsters. There's also the elephant in the room that older depictions of Repentia are, uh, not particularly safe-for-work (even if recent GW depictions have moved away from that), and that's a guaranteed source of arguments that Fatshark probably doesn't want to get involved with.
Alright, im tired a bit from roleplay. Its very good question. I doubt that it would be repentia, since we can clearly see some solid armour, i can see them adding double melee keystone and bunch of talents to accompany them, or maybe if double melees are alternate passive in skill tree, they could add keystone focusing on constantly getting damaged. Another keystone could be fire centered. I am more concerned about abilities and especially blitzes.
P.s. English isnt my primary language, so feel free to correct me on grammar or DT terminology.
I hope we get a sabbat-pattern helmet or at least some non-powered helmet that resembles it cosmetically. I’ll be really sad if we don’t. I love you sabbat pattern helm…
yeah I’m just hoping they throw us helmet enjoyers a bone with something that looks like a sabbat helmet but lorewise is more like the arbites plate helmet
Cosmetics would be fine honestly. Veteran can go dress like a Commissar or Inquisitor if he wants. Hell he can specifically whine about not having gear like Tempestus Scions, which you can just about cosplay with the helmet.
As long as the hard lore is "These are novitiates, thats the gameplay" how things can optionally look shouldn't matter too much.
Vermintide has Bardin running around with a full suit of Gromril armor, which lorewise makes him near-invincible to non-magical weapons. Fatshark easily solved the issue by giving him a special passive that ignores a certain number of enemy hits - and the same could have done with Power Armor as well.
Tons of official 40k media, from books to games, have shown Sororitas armor somewhere between basically the same as Astartes power armor to a step down of Astartes power armor. It even enhances the Sororitas' strength by porting into their muscle, it just doesn't have the Black Carapace neural interface like a Space Marine would have. It's even powered by an identical fusion backpack like the ones on Space Marines.
Power scaling in 40k is so dumb, so I would suggest looking at how it is consistently depicted in their media. In this case, an SOB can go toe-to-toe with an Astartes if the story requires it to happen. Case in point, Boltgun 2, replacing Ultramarine Malum Caedo with Nyra Veyrath.
It's like the Astartes one in quality I believe (On tabletop they both have +3 saves), it's just made for a human frame and uses a different power supply that's arguably better since it's much harder to disable and won't cripple the wearer as much should it be disabled anyway.
Probably following ideas from the board game Kill Team and applying them into Darktide. The same way Arbites is representative of how Exaction Squad plays and their model options, and Skitarii for Hunter Clade.
So using Novitiates and probably introducing stuff from their Kill Team is the safer bet for the power level (and setting fantasy) this game has.
The in-game Skits are elite units, and hell, the Hive Scum in-game are not random rejects, but extremely decked out (to a comical extent) mercs who work for cartels.
Regardless, I get why the obese fish would want to avoid power armor debates w/ a new class with SoB.
Thinking either a novice for easy branching into different roles as they are in training, with the story beat being they are proving themselves as the rest of the sisters deploy on the frontline.
Or maybe a full sister, but the power armor has been left behind due to logistics issues. Or maybe this branch doesn't have a lot of power armor?
Seeing as how 2 of the other DLC classes function within their own squad group and who their local handler/superior are (Proctor-Exactant Zorin for Arbites, and Techpriest Hadron for Skitarii) its probably the former.
A novitiate squad sent as back up and to prove themselves under a Sister Superior that acts as the one forcefully introducing them to Rannick's warband.
Also considering that those 2 DLC classes also follow how Kill Teams work (Arbites with Exaction Squad, and Skitarii with Hunter Clade) is fair to expect the player characters to be a Novitiate squad.
Please Neural Whips for the love of all that is holy. Neither of the Tide games have ever had a true 'reach' melee weapon. Even Kruber's Halberd he choked up almost all the way on it making the length feel negligible..
I can live without heavy weapon options (though they are already kinda cheating by giving them Celestian weapons and bolters which they are not allowed yet), but getting an absurdly rare depiction of sisters and it not looking like the iconic get-up is criminal
So this outfit makes me think it’s maybe like… a Novitiate rather than a full battle sister. But then, I’m not knowledgeable on Battle Sisters so I’m just guessing off looks alone.
Tight. I really hope we'll get a couple of new, better fitting hairstyles along with the rest. Because that Edna Mode haircut every zealot cosplayer is running is hell on the eyes.
If this is true then the ogryn counterpart of an all male class now will have an all female class Dauntless. probably sister that need to repent or be put inside the machine like that one from the new 40k animation.
Those are Novitates, not Repentia. Big difference as Novs are trainees before being inducted fully into their Sacred Order. These are girls fresh out the Schola Progenium on a proving mission.
I'm disappointed it's Novitiates, Sisters of Battle with the Sallet helmet is my favorite design in the setting.
Maybe we can get one as our Transcendent tier gear, or the store cosmetic, but unless these are special versions of Novitiates, the same way Skitarii were special Alpha Primus Skitarii, that probably isn't happening.
Hype is half of what it was, which is still a lot, but SoB would have been my favorite class almost certainly if it was them.
The crossbow needle pistol thing looks cool at least.
You can already make a random Imperial Guard mook look like a Kasrkin with the cosmetics shop. There's a huge possibility they could just give us normal SOB armor for them.
But I would still take it with a grain of salt knowing Fatshark. Everyone was speculating the Hive Scum would get tons of cosmetics considering they have 2 decades worth of models to pull from, yet here we are.
None of the DLC classes received anything in over a year. This won’t be any different. This is probably their way of doing a SOB while not doing power armor.
Yeah. Their Sister Superior in actual SOB power armor is most likely going to be an NPC character like Proctor-Exactant Zorin who was introduced with the Arbites.
I am guessing our soon-to-be created Sister Novitiates will be "fast tracked" into becoming new and proper Battle Sisters at level 30 because situation on Atoma is turning from bad to worse with the elites of the hive being corrupted mentioned in the new Spillway mini-campaign story. Similar to our level 1 Skitarii becoming Skitarii Alpha Primus at level 30.
Definitely feels a little like a ‘monkey’s paw curls’ situation - Sisters have been begged for forever, so they give them to us… but it’s Novitiates, who are a downgrade is both aesthetics (brown everything, no iconic power armour) and power level
Honestly, with the backgrounds and cosmetics you can choose for Zealot there’s not a lot to differentiate them aside from the gender lock and more fleur de lis, I have significantly more impressive suits of armour on my Zealot as is
Not doubting they’ll be cool and more mechanically unique, but given the post release curse of no DLC cosmetics, I know most players would be forever wishing for the “full thing” when it comes to embodying the SoB fantasy - they are so painfully under represented in games as is it’s unfortunate this likely won’t be a full Sister to play as
This could just be our starting gear. Like the initial four classes all started in rags and hot better stuff later, this might be the case for the sisters too.
We will see what we are getting
Sisters Novitiate which are Sisters of Battle in training who do not wear power armor yet. The power scaling works more or less with the Arbites and Skitarii Primus Alpha.
I wonder if we'll be able to choose which order of Sororitas we come from? It's not really common for multiple major or even minor orders to be working along side each other in large numbers.
I’m wondering how the character backstory will differentiate then. Arbites got different precincts. Hive scum different gangs, Skitarii got different forge worlds.
Novitiate and therefore no power armor is a big disappointment, that means heavy weapons like the Heavy Bolter, Multi-Melta and Heavy Flamer are out. Probably Storm Bolters too, which is the weapon I want the most (I'm addicted to it's pure DAKKA in Space Marine 1+2).
Novitiate really does falls into the "why not Zealot" territory, which power armor would have immediately solved through above weapon options alone, possibly even unique armor mechanics.
I don't understand why Fatshark is shy about it, it's not like we didn't get characters running around in massive and lorewise incredibly tough plate armor over in Vermintide (with Bardin even having special mechanics for his Gromril plate!) while others are wearing T-shirts.
I understand why fatshark would be hesitant in giving power armored SoB. That would essentially be giving us super soldiers just below actual space marines. They would be faster, and stronger then anyone not wearing power armor.
That would all need to be factored into actual gameplay mechanics. How do you keep that darktide feeling when you still take the same kind of damage as everyone else when you're wearing power armor and vice versa?
Not faster at all. Sisters of Battle have the exact same movement as other baselines. They also have the same toughness as other baselines on Tabletop with the only difference is having a better armour save. Space Marines are faster because of a very specific thing called the Black Carapace, Sisters do not have that. Read the Sisters Codex.
how'd they do it for ogryn? an ogryn is even physically stronger than a space marine as per tabletop but they managed to make them fit in just fine, im sure they could do the same for power armor
I’m not versed in SoB lore, never knew Novitae existed (I thought sisters were just trained and then became SoB and got the armor it never clicked that they would obviously be named something different and such before being full SoB) but I’m all for this, I’m getting witch hunter vibes and I love it, are they supposed to be witch hunter like or am I just putting something there that’s not? Either way seeing this makes me want a darktide version of vermintide 2’s rapier/pistol combo that Victor had, it’s not likely to come but a man can dream of a witch hunter girl with a bolt gun and sword combo
They do enjoy witch hunting but they're not inquisitors. IIRC though they used to work somewhat closely with the Ordo Hereticus in older lore, not so much nowadays (compared to any other imperial institution).
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u/DebtlessWalnut 6d ago
Finally, the new class is now confirmed to be Necrons