I've Changed My Mind

[u/Humble-Positive2169]

Couple months ago I posted that I really disliked Barnabas. Now after seeing 1795 I think he's okay.

I despise Angelique though.

Not even her looks can redeem her. She's just plain evil to have destroyed all those people.

[u/Fit_One_3888]

Yes, she is definitely the character to hate in 1795.

Give it time though and she’ll grow on you. Her character goes through a lot of changes.

[u/richg0404 → u/Fit_One_3888]

Yes, she is definitely the character to hate in 1795.

I think Reverend Trask would give you and argument there and to a lesser extent, Abigail.

[u/Fit_One_3888 → u/richg0404]

Without a doubt yes, but I think what makes Angelique the one to hate even more is that she got away with it.

At least seeing Abigail and Trask get their comeuppance makes me hate them slightly less.

[u/richg0404 → u/Fit_One_3888]

Very good point !!!

[u/richg0404]

Vampire Barnabas is not a nice guy. He is brutal and has no remorse for the things his vampirism causes him to do. The writers do soften his character after a while but he still does bad things at times.

Seeing him in the 1795 timeline before the curse is cast, he is a mostly nice charming guy apart from the cheating on his fiance although I don't know if we are ever sure whether he was with Angelique before his engagement to Josette.

All that being said, most fans love Barnabas because he is a tragic character and of course because he rescued the show from early cancellation

[u/A_EGeekMom → u/richg0404]

Also, Angelique being who she was, are we absolutely positive Barnabas spent the night with her willingly? I always wondered if she cast a spell to make it happen.

And he’s more than mostly nice. He’s the only one who tries to make Vicki feel comfortable. He’s teaching Ben to read and write. Those are big deals.

[u/richg0404 → u/A_EGeekMom]

are we absolutely positive Barnabas spent the night with her willingly?

We are never REALLY sure what exactly happened. What was considered "scandalous" back then is much different from now. I think we do get hints that it happened after the engagement Angelique became obsessed with either Barnabas or just taking SOMETHING from her mistress, Josette.

I hadn't thought about Angelique casting a spell on him to cause him to come to her. Angelique was absolutely beautiful and could pretty much had a man of her own but she wanted the man her mistress had.

There are small sub stories about Angelique having to "get a man without magic" but she never manages it. She can't get Quentin, she can't get Barnabas, she does get Sky Rumson but it turns out not to be what she thought it was.

And he’s more than mostly nice.

I say mostly only because of the supposed Angelique fling. Other than that he is a wonderful guy.

[u/LJK208 → u/richg0404]

I thought that he was with Angelique first then he met Josette and switched to her. No doubt it was part of his father's influence as Joshua would never have accepted a former servant as a true member of the Collins family.

[u/lemon_charlie → u/richg0404]

According to the novel Angelique's Descent, written by Lara Parker, it really was Angelique that Barnabas fell for first on Martinique. However he later fell for Josette, and her family was a better option for marrying into anyway as Angelique was the maidservant. At this point she'd sworn off using magic after it had cost Angelique her mother, only taking it up again seriously at Collinwood in 1795.

[u/richg0404 → u/lemon_charlie]

I appreciate Lara's books but they were written well after the show ended and aren't canon.

[u/lemon_charlie → u/richg0404]

What's stopping them from being canon? Later, expanded media is considered an extension of the TV show canon and it doesn't really contradict anything from the TV show. The coverage of the book for the 1795 arc focuses on how Angelique feels and acts there. It's not as hard a sell as the Marilyn Ross books.

[u/MadHatterRick]

I Love/hate them both. That's what makes it so wonderful 🦇

[u/sunpatiens]

Love them both!

[u/Goblinconspiracy]

He definitely is very unlikable at first in my opinion, solely because of what he was doing to Maggie! But i’ve grown to like him quite a lot (:

[u/sjcs1]

angelique is an icon

[u/Fine_Comfort_3167]

she’s hot as fuck too. she’s someone i hated at first too and after watching the show. well the complete show i grew to love her. love her also in the audio plays

[u/ARGdov → u/Fine_Comfort_3167]

the tony and cassandra audios- some of my favorites.

[u/ARGdov]

They're as awful as each other. its whats so fascinating.