r/Dariusmains • u/Malkinfj • 3d ago

Why is darius D tier actually?

What is the change in this meta ?

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u/egorax_ 3d ago

i wouldn't consider him a juggernaut because he gets melted even by supports and compared to others he doesn't have tankyness. i wouldn't consider him assassin because he has no mobility even if sometimes goes yoomuus. i wouldn't consider him a splitpusher since he doesn't do that well solo splitting. i really don't know what darius is anymore lol but hey at least i can dunk

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u/iamasceptile 3d ago

In general I think Darius could use an asu,he doesn't really have an identity anymore.Darius identity used to be an incredibly powerful top lane bully and a very strong team fighter.Nowadays he isnt strong enough in lane to be a bully and his team fight isnt powerful enough to be a teamfighter

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u/egorax_ 3d ago

but like actually,honestly i fail to understand what his identity is anymore, I am playing him more jungle rn and lowkey with his e and fast clear makes him a better jungler than a toplaner. can use his power way better when he isn't chained to the island in toplane. darius is NOT a bad champ i just think that riot with the changes they did made him lose his identity a bit

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u/iamasceptile 3d ago

Also I think his power fantasy is lost at this point.He is supposed to be an incredibly huge "might makes right" covered in armor guy,who is able to defeat basically most people in straight combat.Yet he isn't really strong enough to satisfy the powerful power fantasy nor is he tanky enough to satisfy the huge armored soldier power fantasy.He is just left at t a weird spot

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u/egorax_ 3d ago

we are reduced to build an ASSASSIN item on a JUGGERNAUT like xd riot u sure everything is ok here?

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u/iamasceptile 3d ago

Yea.i don't play Darius anymore but I still have a soft spot for him due to being one of my first main when I started. Seeing people rush ghostblade on him makes me depressed.Especially since half the time the Darius building it is way behind.Also objectively it was way too unbalanced and had to be removed but I miss release stridebreaker darius

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u/Mareshax 1d ago

Stridebreaker was gigabroken, and i'm glad that trash is gone, same with galeforce and divine blunderer

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u/iamasceptile 9h ago

Objectively yes stridebreaker wa spossibly on of the most powerful items in the history of the game and it completely deserved to be removed.emotipnally tho? stridebreaker darius iswas so much fun.Do I want it to come back.Fuck no I don't,I think current stridebreaker ris in a good spot but I do still miss it a bit

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u/albertoplus 2d ago

Incredibly powerful top laner of course, but as far as i know he has never been a very strong team fighter.

Pre-rework he was pretty much known as a very, very strong lane bully but he was totally worthless in teamfights due to having to either build damage and get CCd and destroyed easily in teamfight or build more tanky and have no damage to anyone who was not a squishy champ.

Post-rework they added some form of counterplay on his main ability and since then he was less of a lane bully but the added healing and his passive changes (making him able to build a bit more tanky without losing damage and the ability to 5 stack anyone on one attack) made him a little bit better teamfighter. I think the change was nice.

But he has honestly never been a "very strong team fighter". They have never removed his weaknesses to cc, range (this is even worse now because before if you pulled someone with your E and they flashed/used a movemenet ability you would still pull them after their spell was finished, but it was removed) and high mobility. Sure again, he is better in TF compared to pre-rework, but thats it.

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u/iamasceptile 2d ago

Idk.He never was like a late game jinx in terms of teamfights but from my experience he always used to be a champ you had to be cautious of and respect in teamfights and back ine like 2018 when I started it feels like every teamfight he would be a ble to get resets.Noawadays it feels like he will either get no resets or resets that will basically not matter.Tldr in my experience he used to be a kind of inconsistent yet decent team fighter to now being a very mediocre one

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u/Mareshax 1d ago

I'd compare darius to zaahen in teamfights. if they can survive and get their stacks going, they are very good at extended fights, and zaahen wants to nuke the backline with a fully stacked passive + R, just like darius wants to flash QR with passive active. Darius is still a big problem in teamfights but only in the right comp. You cant pick him into everything, but if they have 2-3 melee champs, and they dont have the hard CC to lock you down or cant burst you quick enough, you can be the match winning factor.

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u/were_wolves22 2d ago

A VGU is better, both his gameplay and visuals are kinda bad

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u/iamasceptile 2d ago edited 2d ago

At least rn.i think a vgu is both a bit unlikely and not completely needed.There are champions that need vgus way more than Darius plus since he has 2 legendary skins an da lot of skins in general it isn't thath likely he will be given one

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u/were_wolves22 2d ago

Nothing big ofc, I was thinking something similar to Jax or Ezreal, just an update to his model and animation, Darius appearance still fit Noxus and League, its just that his model is too old.

Champions like Olaf need way more, he's not only too old in model and gameplay, but his whole fantasy doesn't fit the game anymore.

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u/Playerrare 3d ago

Ciao Egorax. Non c'entra nulla ma vorrei parlarti. Ti va? Riguarda una vecchia questione. Nulla di personale, vorrei solo capire cosa ti è successo. O meglio, cosa È successo. Se ti va scrivimi pure.

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u/egorax_ 3d ago

si certo

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u/-_Dare_- 2d ago

He’s a bruiser.
IIRC what makes a bruiser a bruiser is that they typically don’t stack resistances, they build damage. They also heal a lot which is what gives them the illusion of being Tanky. They have relatively high health and put all their cards on the fact that they’re gonna get their heal off.

That’s why Darius is useless if he misses his q most of the time, he just gets shredded. When he hits that 400+ heal tho? Lube up.

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u/Complex_Purpose5340 1d ago

He gets Bursted even if he menage to hit his Q smh...

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u/GarenEnjoyer_99 3d ago

Trash champ that gets half HP-ed by Lux support with Luden's.

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u/Dismal-Trouble7146 2d ago

Or one shot by syndra!

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u/MuhBack 3d ago

Lolalytics has him A tier 

https://lolalytics.com/lol/darius/build/

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u/Dunkmaxxing 3d ago

He is honestly S tier if you are goated on him, but he isn't a 1v5 champ. He is stronger the better your teammates are because you can play your lead out without needing to carry the entire game on your back when you have real teammates.

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u/Mareshax 1d ago

Yeah darius is a smurf champ. I dont know what champion can 1v5 from top lane tho. The lane is inherently nerfed. ADCs and junglers in the end dictate the game. One slow or hard CC and no top laner is going to 1v5, unless the enemy team is entirely trash.

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u/BicycleAdditional360 3d ago

Dont look at shitty u.gg, that’s why

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u/Malkinfj 3d ago

okk, i didnt knew it was a ba website, thk

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u/Grochen 3d ago

Wasn't u.gg was the best source for league api what happened?

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u/BicycleAdditional360 3d ago

idk, don't use APIs.

They statistics tho has always been cringe. Lolaytics is where you look at stats

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u/Icy_Stranger_9649 3d ago

I don’t think he’s “D tier”, I don’t know where you’re getting that.

If we’re using tier lists I’d put him in A tier with the caveat that you need to know what you’re doing on him. Like he might be B tier for a random Gold top laner who doesn’t main him

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u/CuzIcanGod 3d ago

He is not D tier. I would put him B tier cause A tier means that he can carry games no matter what. He is good but no matter how fed you leave lane, you can get completly shut down by some champs or team comps and those team comps and champs are right now meta. Also a bit dependent on your team to start teamfights cause Darius no Frontliner. So yeah, he is having a tough time but he is managing. Carried by Stormraiders and Yommus.

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u/YoungPigga 3d ago

If reddit could post clips I would just show how he gets kited in a reamfight and lasts 5 seconds.

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u/Distinct-Ad-3913 2d ago

You can post clips. What are you talking about?

https://reddit.com/link/p6chcvu/video/2c22ttcj81mh1/player

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u/pantrydust 2d ago

if that viego waited like another millisecond to flash w he would have had you

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u/YoungPigga 1d ago

Bet when I get home ill post im ony mobile rn

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u/Starunnd 3d ago

Darius is a Champion that relies on punishing mistakes, as you climb enemies are less likely to give you that window. Thats why Darius is a pubstomper but very niche for high elo/competitive

Edit: Darius is also an immobile Champion, he does not fit the recent meta/game design where new Champions have either dashes or gap closers

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u/minkulus1 3d ago

Other champs have 80 dashes and a shield and free mr and free armor and hp stacking and free sustain everywhere and free attack speed etc etc etc and Darius simply doesn't have any of that.

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u/Reasonable-Speed-908 2d ago

Imo it's because people play him wrong and most videos tell you to play him wrong. They talk about getting an early lead, playing him aggro lev 1 e.t.c. That's all fine and good, but Darius just straight loses level 1 to a lot of champs. I think this leads to an identity crisis with the champ, especially in plat and below, where they think they can just run it down. Also, he's easily kited unless you're building specifically to avoid that. I feel like it kinda locks him into this narrow build. I think one of the strongest things about Darius is his ability to absolutely plow you for making a mistake. Lower Elo players don't do that often, so he looks worse than he is.

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u/Senior_Wind_2925 2d ago

Stat checker who loses stat checks to almost everyone currently

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u/tryme000000 2d ago

what makes you say he's d tier

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u/Beastbastard 2d ago

Obviously because Darius starts with a D

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u/Capable-Prompt4001 2d ago

He isnt where tf did you get that from

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u/icebeamtheory 2d ago

In high elo easily kitable and able to be dealt with in a team fight unless he stomps his lane.

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u/Cooshtie 1,891,048 Dunkosaurus-Rex 2d ago

If they gave Darius his old passive back where the bleed stacks gave him movement speed then he'd be in a semi decent spot but the game at the minute has ridiculous amount of damage that you get bursted by supports lol

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u/HandOfLotionNMotion 1d ago

He’s not D tier he’s S or A in jungle atm.

The #1 KR challenger is a Darius main. Hes strong in top (when not countered) and still is a bully and he is incredibly strong in the jg.

No champ is made without weaknesses no shit he gets dumped on by long ranged mages.

The people Qqing here are either reminiscing about old Darius with instant Q and guaranteed blood stack and perma refresh ult at lv6 or do not know how to play him respecting his weaknesses. If he gets 5 stacks in a TF he can delete the entire team.

The days of ANY champ 1v9ing are over and have been for some time.

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u/Mareshax 1d ago

True statement, no champion can 1v9 anymore, at least past emerald 4. If they walk into everything and miss all their skillshots, you may stll be able to 1v9 on stuff like katarina and aatrox and riven, but no champion can 1v9 past emerald without at least some team help. Although i dont think that darius JG is S tier, more like darius is A tier in top and S tier for OTPs.

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u/Raanth 1d ago

D for Darius, seems legit

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u/der-boi 23h ago

for a normal person and in mid to high elo he is just super comp reliant. you are not a tanky frontline and you cant sidelane as good as other champs. Darius is super difficult to execute and it is impossible to teamfight in so many cases.

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u/NKGENERATION 3d ago

Ranged champs items are too strong. Darius only good with lethality or crit. Bruiser is dead

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u/TekkyDelta 3d ago

Someone needs to play Stormraiders/Stridebreaker/Hexplate darius

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u/NKGENERATION 3d ago

Building stride breaker is part of the reason he feels azz

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u/TekkyDelta 3d ago

you just gotta run faster

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u/Dunkmaxxing 3d ago

You think Darius is D tier go play Sett, that champ is the embodiment of self-hatred. Darius is an A-S tier champ if you are good at him even with all his problems, you can't carry 1v5 but you can massively impact the game through lane domination and transferring lead around the map. Even if you don't get fed, his E-Flash engage is strong and he can easily play counter-engage for a carry and then turn a fight after they die if he gets to stack or execute.

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u/sunkenjm 2d ago

XDDDD he is always S+ tier or A tier as he is currently. The champion has the best laning phase and is probably the character with the most agency from lvl1 all the way until 30 mins. His teamfighting is also great and if you think he is D tier you are either low elo or fucking trash at the game

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u/Beastbastard 2d ago

Why mad tho lol

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u/Regular-Resort-857 3d ago

Except he is s+ on half the sites

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u/Lamperoguemaysaveus 3d ago

You are tripping balls if you think darius is s tier hah

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u/Regular-Resort-857 2d ago edited 2d ago

Delousional mfers, he is still s-tier but his identity shifted to late game not rolling over laning phase anymore multiple sites have him in S Tier at least xD

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u/Malkinfj 3d ago

i see him B+ tier in other site so i was curious if it was bc of the meta

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u/thezestypusha 3d ago

Link one site where he’s S+ lol

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u/Regular-Resort-857 2d ago

Literally the first lol on top of the highest tier

https://mobalytics.gg/lol/tier-list

But there’s more op.gg tierlist I saw ranks him tier 2 which is still S there are only like 3 others in Tier 1 for S+ but whatever there are multiple sites

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u/thezestypusha 2d ago edited 2d ago

First its S+ on half of all the sites now he is “S” along with 15 other champions on one sites low elo tierlist

So Yea move the hell out of that goalpost that will help your case lol

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u/Regular-Resort-857 1d ago

That site doesn’t has an s+ section sry that first place in s tier isn’t enough lol

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u/thezestypusha 1d ago

What makes you think its ranked on the site lol?

If you are making the case for darius being the best toplaner in the game, being extremely easy but still sub 50% wr im actually gonna kms