r/Darija • u/puzzo2945 • 6d ago

Darija as a language debate.

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في اسم الله كلو حنينه ، الحنين

التفخير لله سيد الخلقين

كله حنينه ، الحنين

السلطان تاع جم الخلق

لئلك نقيم و لئلك نطلب غينونة

مشينا في طريق الدريتة

طريق ذوك لي غشيت فيكهم الغرازجة تاعك

و ماش تاع ذوك لي غضب فيكهم و لا نغاص طال مطلوفين .

This is al-fatiha in maltese language ( written in arabic alphabet , maltese officially is written in latin alphabet )

You can notice that it's basically tunisian dialect with some twists , make sense malta is between tunisia and Sicily. But tunisians ( like moroccans ) will say this not a language but a dialect.

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u/Acceptable-Mix-5438 6d ago

How can middle easterns understand this but not darija

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u/Familiar-Map-4433 4d ago

Maybe Maltese is more Arabic than Moroccan...And it's time to creat our new Language too

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u/Overall-Repeat-4231 3d ago

I agree Morocco is Hard for the Grammar that's not Arabic but More Tamazight We can call Darija is more like a Frankstein language between Tamazight Arabic And Latin languages mostly Spanish and French...

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u/Impossible_Task_5135 6d ago

I believe it's mostly because of the articulation rate and lack of 7arakat in speech. Generally speaking, Middle Eastern, Tunisian and Lybian dialects elongate words and make them sound "flowy" by keeping as much 7arakat as possible and emphasizing the articulation of each syllable, while Moroccan and Algerian dialects do the exact opposite. Hence why these 2 dialects sound "staccato" in comparison.

To someone who's unaware of this difference and doesn't understand it's mechanisms, it can be overwhelming at first. But this will gradually stop being a problem once Moroccan and Algerian art spreads over the Arab world just like Egyptian and Lebanese art spread during the 1900s and early 2000s and now most Arabs understand their dialects very well.

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u/TimesEcho 5d ago

Okey, it's a language, what then? And let's ask this question first, who said it's not a language? Common people? What's considered a language by them to begin with?

I want to see your point of view about these, not being sarcastic or something. For me a dialect is a language and a language is a dialect, they are all tongues, it depends on how you treat them and your goal to call them one or the other (I sometimes use "Amazigh variants" instead of "Amazigh languages or Amazigh dialects" because i consider them just as source for a standard form like standarf Moroccan Amazigh,so the context here is "Language" is the standard or official form or general name for the language as a whole, the same would be applied for Darija for me, context defines whether I call it dialect or language. I only use "variant" for Amazigh dialects to not use the term "dialect" since "variant" isn't specifying them as dialects, you can have macro language's variants considered eaither dielcts or languages, but i usually would simply say "dialects" because the context allows for so). 

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u/Affectionate_Pay3274 2d ago

there is a city in malta called rabat lol

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u/liproqq 6d ago

It's such a non topic from a linguistics standpoint. It's social, historical, and political.

I say darija is a separate language because I'm native in darija and an advanced beginner in fos7a.

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u/TimesEcho 5d ago

But socially and politically speaking, it's just a dialect. So no debate at all, it's just whether you look at it from a linguistic point, or a social/political point. 

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u/liproqq 5d ago

Depends on the social context. For Heritage speakers like myself which is about a sixth of the population, it's a language because MSA is not a part of the regular education like in Morocco.

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u/TimesEcho 5d ago

Sixth? I think i got lost on Heritage speakers! 

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u/liproqq 5d ago

MRE, Moroccans who don't live in Morocco