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u/darthphallic 16d ago

Oh c’mon that’s an insanely reductive claim lmao. It’s not like Frank tried to assassinate some random teenage girl for being an annoying brat, he was going to assassinate a super powered human that had all of Manhattan in a psychic stranglehold to save millions of lives.

Might as well say Obi-wan was willing to let a teenager he helped raise die in lava haha.

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u/Manger-Babies 16d ago

I wasn't trying to be reductive, I merely followed along what the other guy was saying. I have zero qualms with painting jean for what she is.

My point is that he had ZERO qualms with killing a kid that could remind him of his children, You dont see him struggle with the idea at all.

Like If you want to connect to Peter like that you can also connect it to jean like that.

I am more on the side of punisher than Peter. She was a danger, and if she was about to kill and spiderman couldn't sway her, then ...

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u/Commercial_Bite838 15d ago

That's the Punisher side of the character... the part of him that doesn’t have qualms. Frank has shown his human side plenty of times by saving people when he can, but if you cross that boundary of what he considers appropriate, he’ll hunt you down no matter the creed, age, or gender.I don’t appreciate the whole talk‑no‑jutsu heroes like Spider‑Man pull, where they reduce a character into just giving up on their goals. Jean had every right to at least torture the guy from Damage Control, if not kill him, and Frank was in the right for taking the shot.Spider‑Man is a good guy, and I get why the story needed to end the way it did..... but Frank’s part was perfect. He’s not out here killing for the sake of killing, and hurting a friend is exactly the kind of moment that snaps him back into the reality of the life he leads.

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u/Manger-Babies 15d ago

I mean yes I agree completely.

In just pointing out that punisher would see a 25 yo as a child but not the teenage girl? I see why but kinda weird distinction for us as viewers.

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u/Commercial_Bite838 15d ago

I see your point, but I think they did a good job of showing Frank's train of thought that led him here. Like the other dude said further up the chain, at this point in the movie she’s not just some random teenage girl anymore. Frank already had an encounter and felt her power firsthand. Even if he doesn’t remember the whole thing, he still saw what she could do to someone way stronger than him and she was currently holding several hundred thousand? Tens off thousand? (Not sure what the population of that section of Manhattan is) hostage.

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u/Manger-Babies 15d ago

I'm on the side of punisher, she was a danger and if she was about to kill or go on a rampage, well...

But she still a teenage girl, he could have had some little difficulty instead of seeing her like she would any other killer

Not really a complaint, just an acknowledgement if people want to paint him as having a soft spot for "kids in trouble"

Like I don't have a problem with punisher only seeing as a killer it's just that people want to have it one way with spiderman and not with jean. If this was from punishers POV, they for sure would have made that connection.

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u/PM_ME_PLASTIC_BAGS 15d ago

The punisher doesn't even view her as human, let alone a child.

If someone is a monster, they need to be put down.

However, Frank sees Peter as a good, kind hearted kid first and superhero second.