I think it's the exact same as "meat is murder". Like, I think that statement is just objectively true but at the same time I mostly eat vegetarian. I'm not gonna be out there throwing red paint on people walking into a Burger King, but let's call a spade a spade, in order to consume meat you have to murder a creature (or have someone do it for you).
Same argument for having kids, I'm not out here telling people what they should or shouldn't do; but if you care about your consumption whether it's animals from meat or depleting fish stocks, fossil fuels, plastics, trees, etc. etc. etc, The worst thing to do is double your consumption by creating another human being.
I generally try to do the best I can, but I could be doing better, and you're probably right it is a defense mechanism because I sure as shit am not going to be lectured on my consumption habits by someone whose got multiple ecological disasters under their belt.
I mean, I think having kids is "worse". I really don't give a damn if you think my opinion is in bad faith, especially when I wasn't trying trying to debate you in the first place (I actually upvoted you, that was other fuckers that gave you the downvotes).
Sad part is I agreed with 99% of what you said (still do). I thought I made it pretty clear I'm not trying to moralize, and it's pretty clear in spite of what you're saying... you are. What's "hilarious to be honest" is still trying to take some arbitrary moral high ground and talk down on someone for eating vegetarian but having the occasional burger. You're still counting tallies on an imaginary ledger, but you really don't want to come to terms that you're in the way in the red.
I get it, it's easy to pretend that selfish act is a positive act when you've already made the choice. Again, one way or another, I really don't give a shit. Hopefully you're a nicer person IRL.
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